4.1 and us healers

[Tridus]

Seeing this list:

Adlo's mp cost decreased
Role Skills adjusted: Addle, Apoc, & Mana Shift added


If they're role skills, does that mean all healers are getting them? Odd that they're listed under SCH, but that list didn't have anything for WHM or AST, so that could be why.

[inhaledcorn]

I hope they reduce Succor's cost as well because that's even worse.

It's kinda weird that SCH (or healers in general) is getting Mana Shift because I still find myself being the most mp greedy.

[Ghishlain]

Seeing this list:

Adlo's mp cost decreased
Role Skills adjusted: Addle, Apoc, & Mana Shift added


If they're role skills, does that mean all healers are getting them? Odd that they're listed under SCH, but that list didn't have anything for WHM or AST, so that could be why.

I don't think so. My partner was on their discord while the live translation was going out so I was watching some of it update before I left for work. My thoughts is that the developers mentioned these role action adjustments it after they mentioned the SCH changes but the translator grouped them together due to the rush. We'll see if I'm mistaken.

I'm hoping someone goes through the VoD afterwards and puts a more detailed translation on the table after analyzing the dialogue in a less rushed way because there are a few things that made no sense to me from the quick translation. For example, the Discord mentioned that while under DWT for SMN Ruin 3 would become and oGCD but then on the following line mentioned instant cast and I'd like to see which one it is. While an oGCD is instant cast, instant cast can also be a GCD ability/spell (Ruin 2, Aero / Aero II, Bio II, etc.) so we'll see what the dialogue looks like once a more fine toothed comb is brushed over the dialogue.

[RyuDragnier]

I hope they reduce Succor's cost as well because that's even worse.

It's kinda weird that SCH (or healers in general) is getting Mana Shift because I still find myself being the most mp greedy.

I think they mentioned that part for Arcanist, it would be foolish to put Mana Shift onto a healer, that's a recipe for disaster (and I doubt any of us would actually take it). Apoc and Addle, however...those would actually be really awesome on SCH.

EDIT: It appears somebody in the comments section of that Reddit caught the error. Those skills are having recast timers lowered. Also apparently Succor shields are going up to 150% of the healing amount! And both heals are getting MP costs reverted! PRAISE THE SUN! \o/

[technole]

Yeah the cross-roles are just adjustments to casters, not added to healers. Surecast will remove the 5 second timer.

Succor goes to 150% healed amount, pretty fair.

[Maltothoris]

Alright so with this new bit of info, Succor was 150/150 for a total of 300 potency. Now with it being like aspected helios noct sect, its now 150/225 for a total of 375. That makes it about 25 percent stronger than what it was and now noct helios is just 15 percent stronger (431.25>375) which should probably be how it is.

Now they did say there were more changes but we'll have to wait for the full patches note for that (wonder if lilies for whm or pi will get changed) Edit: Doubtful I should say but who knows.

[IanR]

Did they mentioned that one of the ruin mastery also affects scholar? Does that mean sch will get the same ruin IV procs?

[Kabzy]

Did they mentioned that one of the ruin mastery also affects scholar? Does that mean sch will get the same ruin IV procs?

I could be missing something here, but SCH gets Broil Mastery, not Ruin Mastery. So even if they allowed Ruin II to proc something for SMN, it would never happen on SCH. At least I think. xD

[inhaledcorn]

I think they mentioned that part for Arcanist, it would be foolish to put Mana Shift onto a healer, that's a recipe for disaster (and I doubt any of us would actually take it). Apoc and Addle, however...those would actually be really awesome on SCH.

EDIT: It appears somebody in the comments section of that Reddit caught the error. Those skills are having recast timers lowered. Also apparently Succor shields are going up to 150% of the healing amount! And both heals are getting MP costs reverted! PRAISE THE SUN! \o/

Well, I guess that's what I get for trying to get the information as early as possible. I still miss Virus (and Disable to a lesser extent when I played AST).

Oh god, reduced MP costs on Adlo and Succor and Succor gets a natural boost on the healing? I'll take it! (Although I still really want Succor to have the crit bonus, but, I'll take what I can get).

[Jxnibbles]

Are we heading back to 3.4 inbalance all over again.. Lets solve one problem and create two more for the entire role.