Sustain

[HyoMinPark]

Sorry i dont see any reason to say that the Summoner is on the same support level as the Redmage or is able to support in healing xD

I wasn't even arguing that SMN needed adjusting in terms of their healing, or needs to contribute to healing when the healers are lacking, nor do I agree with that playstyle for RDM. I will fill in to heal if a heals goes down long enough for them to get back up, but I will not do a lazy healer's job for them.

I was saying that SMN has slightly more support aspects than RDM, and always has. To say that SMN isn't on par with RDM in terms of support is an incorrect statement, and leads me to believe that you do not know your job as well as you claim you do.

Also i think its the same with SCH control your pet

No amount of pet control can stop them from getting hit by unavoidable damage. Interrupting and manually casting each Embrace would be the only way to force your fairy to prioritize healing a tank or someone else over her, because the AI automatically prioritizes her health over everyone else's. In that instance, you spend so much time micromanaging it's easy to miss out on DPS, which SCH still carries quite a bit of personal DPS.

Giving us back Sustain would give SCHs a nice little buffer to heal their fairy so that she can spend less time healing herself and more time healing the party. I micromanage my fairies and I still want Sustain back.

[MoldyOne]

Insta heals possible for 9k ~ (i guess) vs a 621 Physik... that has a cast time

That Quote explains the whole need for a Change to Summoner healing right there. there are examples where a Healer or instance gets screwed due to something going off. a acceptable heal is essential for parties that have to recover from stupidity and a SMN is designed to help with that recovery but has only a basic raise right now that is useful. DPS on SMN is fine as long as you dont die or screw it up to bad.

[Officer_Cat]

No amount of pet control can stop them from getting hit by unavoidable damage.

What is unavoidable that hits the pet sooo hard that it needs to get a heal ?!
Just as an example If Queens Waltz is hitting the whole group u need to heal anyone with an aoe heal or whatever something like this, then your pet get heals too.

I really would like to know where your pet dies or where your pet needs your attention to heal him.

[Mavrias]

What is unavoidable that hits the pet sooo hard that it needs to get a heal ?!
Just as an example If Queens Waltz is hitting the whole group u need to heal anyone with an aoe heal or whatever something like this, then your pet get heals too.

I really would like to know where your pet dies or where your pet needs your attention to heal him.

V3S, V4S, Susano EX, any fight with a Chimera. Also, soloing fates with Titan-egi, Palace of the Dead solo, Veteran Clan B-Rank Hunts, ARR S and A ranks, HW A-Ranks.

I really would like to know why you're so against SMN's getting Sustain back or some other sort of pet heal, I'd personally prefer on oGCD.

[Officer_Cat]

V3S, V4S, Susano EX, any fight with a Chimera. Also, soloing fates with Titan-egi, Palace of the Dead solo, Veteran Clan B-Rank Hunts, ARR S and A ranks, HW A-Ranks.

I really would like to know why you're so against SMN's getting Sustain back or some other sort of pet heal, I'd personally prefer on oGCD.

I did not cleared V3S but i saw some enrages, and if you place your pet on the "ass" your pet stays alife.
I never lost my pet when i told him where to stand, if i not tell him where to stand he is dead after the dragonphase.
I never lost my pet in Susano EX im sorry but how you do this.

Im agains sustain cause i dont see any reason in it.

I can record you any run of susano as long as i tell my pet not to stand in front of susano it is fine, i can make videos of V3S too, soloing fates with titan thats something where I agree thats not perfect, but on the others i need to say again ... HOW

[Mavrias]

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Depending on how the MT moves for lightning markers, Ifrit will be hit with them fairly often. In O3S along with dragon phase, ifrit can be hit with books and magic hammers in library as well as reaper charges. Again, dependent on where your tank is positioning the boss. Anything where you want Titan to tank for you (he needs to be buffed in general) so again, PoTD, soloing B, A, and S tank hunts, he will be taking constant damage, and likely die, because no heal. Chimeras Ifrit will pretty much always be hit by Ram's voice unless you want to take the dps loss of constantly moving him all the time forever, he is going to get hit.

If you don't see a reason for it, then don't use it, but a lot of people clearly do.

[Officer_Cat]

Depending on how the MT moves for lightning markers, Ifrit will be hit with them fairly often. In O3S along with dragon phase, ifrit can be hit with books and magic hammers in library as well as reaper charges.
If you don't see a reason for it, then don't use it, but a lot of people clearly do.

Thats things where you can move your pet
Adjusting, and you are fine.

Sustain makes Summoner life way to easy in my eyes.

[Mavrias]

Thats things where you can move your pet
Adjusting, and you are fine.

Sustain makes Summoner life way to easy in my eyes.

Moving ifrit like that is a dps loss. Full stop. That's a ruin 2, instead of a ruin 1/3/4, and then there's potentially having to move him off the boss entirely, which is another dps loss because he only attacks from melee range. That's even if you can actually manage to move him in the span of the GCD so you're not clipping.

There's a difference between artificial difficulty and actual complexity. Summoner is clunky enough without constantly repositioning your pet. Again, if you feel sustain makes things "too easy" then don't use it.

[HyoMinPark]

What is unavoidable that hits the pet sooo hard that it needs to get a heal ?!
Just as an example If Queens Waltz is hitting the whole group u need to heal anyone with an aoe heal or whatever something like this, then your pet get heals too.

I really would like to know where your pet dies or where your pet needs your attention to heal him.

You must not do much content, because even outside of Savage or Ex trials, it is quite easy for pets to get hit by AOE mechanics. Try a pull in Doma Castle, right after the large Collosus. The ground AOEs from that airship affect pets. A fairy spends more time healing herself (which she automatically does anytime her health dips below 80%, if I'm remembering the threshold correctly). If you're suggesting moving and replacing her out of every AOE, that's even more time she won't be spending healing the tank (any time your pet moves, that's GCDs lost in terms of damage or healing). A simple Sustain HoT on her would be more than enough to keep her from spamming Embrace on herself, and targeting a player that needs it more (i.e., a tank). I take it you also don't play SCH that much, because the amount of times a tank has failed to grab all the mobs and they decide to go attack my fairy instead is countless. She ends up either spamming Embrace on herself, or dying. A HoT on her would be better than me having to focus my attention on healing her AND the incompetent tank (who is usually also going down just as fast in most cases, since so many seem allergic to cooldowns), and possibly also prevent me from having to waste 2400 MP (at level 70) to resummon her--which is a hefty cost for a SCH; in extended fights, unless you are really good at pre-planning your MP usage, SCH can easily run into MP problems.

Likewise, constantly positioning and repositioning a pet during a savage raid is not only GCDs lost on behalf of your pet, but also GCDs lost in terms of your personal DPS/HPS for SCH, since you have to use a GCD to Place them, if not more than just one GCD.

I really would like to know why you're so against Sustain returning, or for pets to have some sort of GCD/oGCD regen ability, because you haven't really given any reasonable points. All you've said is "I don't need it, so others shouldn't need it either." Hardly a compelling argument.