4.1 and us tanks

[Cabalabob]

I'd kinda like to see dark mind be made a 15% damage reduction of all types and 30% under dark arts, since dark mind is supposed to be like DRKs answer to sheltron and sheltron can now block magic and DRK is kind of lacking on cooldowns right now.

[Aana]

I'd kinda like to see dark mind be made a 15% damage reduction of all types and 30% under dark arts, since dark mind is supposed to be like DRKs answer to sheltron and sheltron can now block magic and DRK is kind of lacking on cooldowns right now.

Better equivalency is Shelltron=IB=Blackest night. Short CD. 20ish% damage reduction for a very short period (1 hit, 5 sec, 6 sec) effective on all damage types. Usuable for virtually every tank buster in a fight and then some. Every tank has their 'always up' mini CD.

[ScotchyScotch]

Better equivalency is Shelltron=IB=Blackest night. Short CD. 20ish% damage reduction for a very short period (1 hit, 5 sec, 6 sec) effective on all damage types. Usuable for virtually every tank buster in a fight and then some. Every tank has their 'always up' mini CD.

And yet one tank has their mini CD locked behind tank stance and a guarantee of dps loss for using it.

[Freyyy]

And yet one tank has their mini CD locked behind tank stance and a guarantee of dps loss for using it.

Yeah but the same tank has the highest number of CDs on top of having the shortest recasts on both their biggest defensive cooldown and their invuln compared to the other two tanks.

[Aana]

And yet one tank has their mini CD locked behind tank stance and a guarantee of dps loss for using it.

My response was in reply to making a poor comparison between dark mind and inner beast when drk has an closer functional equivalent to IB already. (Very short CD, similar mitigation value to IB/Shelltron, universal damage type, etc)

If you want to compare abilities in a vacuum everything is jacked up. IB is a DPS loss vs being in deliverance FC, sure, but you aren't in deliverance if youre using IB anyway so its a dps gain. Also shelltron/Darkest are 1 offs for a single hit while IB both heals and is continuous mitigation for 6 sec and reduces CD on infuriate. Oh but drks can use it for half effect on party members! Well instead of shelltron pld can intervention for the same cost on other people and use a CD! Well Drks gives gauge which can be used to increase damage even more! Etc. Etc.

Vacuum comparisons get real dumb real fast trying to rate X skill> Y skill. You have to compare the entire package of the class. They all have similar tools. Not the same tools. All have an immunity, but you can fight all day about which ones better because they are different. Same for their always up IB/DN/Shell.

[Tegernako]

And yet one tank has their mini CD locked behind tank stance and a guarantee of dps loss for using it.

Something something near 100% uptime WAR perfect.

[Cabalabob]

Better equivalency is Shelltron=IB=Blackest night. Short CD. 20ish% damage reduction for a very short period (1 hit, 5 sec, 6 sec) effective on all damage types. Usuable for virtually every tank buster in a fight and then some. Every tank has their 'always up' mini CD.

TBN I'd say is more closely comparable to clemency and equilibrium as the closest thing DRK has to an instant self heal. Dark mind on the other hand, in 3.0 was a much closer comparison to sheltron, as PLD was more the physical tank, being able to block physical attacks frequently with sheltron, while DRK was more the magical tank being able to block magic frequently with dark mind.

With 4.0 the PLD physical, DRK magical comparison went away. Yet DRKs cooldowns are kind of lacking in the defensive department compared to the other two, including shadow wall being the same cooldown as sentinel while being weaker, living dead being trash and dark mind remaining in a magical niche when sheltron was made universal.