Thread: 4.1 and us tanks

Making it an ogcd AND a HoT would actually be a giant buff to PLD so ...I'm down for it xD

Nothing is worse than losing a gcd to clemency, I avoid it at all costs except when I progged savage. Tho I may still bust out 1 in o3 or o4 if someone is about to die and the healers are aoeing.

Originally Posted by Schrute

WAR:
Shake it off >> mini infuriate OR anything else really
Unchained and inner release no longer share same CD timer

This sounds like it would break WAR a bit.

Originally Posted by Schrute

Mini potency buffs

ok this definitely breaks WAR

Originally Posted by Schrute

PLD:
SOLID CLASS

pretty much true, unless u buff the others too much, like WAR DPS, then PLD needs updated to compensate.

Originally Posted by Schrute

DRK:
Give more raid utitility

while not completely unreasonable of a request, you need to be careful, otherwise u'll make DRK too good.

Originally Posted by Schrute

Blood weapon now use in grit

too OP

Originally Posted by Schrute

Grit no longer cost mp, Put grit on GCD

its already on the GCD...

Dark Side needs to have its MP activation cost removed imo (like in HW), as it was something you could do when the boss jumps away to get a small bit of MP back, rather than just sit there, with it still on.
(plus something liek foresight, with a 20s or so bit of mitigation, to help with Lv60-69 when u need more minor mitigation)

WAR is in more need of utility than DRK is, but ironically, if u do give a minor bit of utility to WAR, then a similar amount of utility needs to be added to DRK, so WAR doesnt continue to outshine DRK. (as it already is doing)

Originally Posted by Schrute

Pld is very comparable to WAR in dps atm and plds bring a lot of raid utility. Cover in 4vs is a godsend -covering the main healer after almaguest to stop Aero and earthshaker from killing them, allowing both tanks to remain in tank stance, not to mention divine veil and passage of arms for almaguest and any other big raid wide dmg going out. War has no raid utility to midigate raid wide dmg and in many cases PLD can out dps war. It should not be this close between the two. I do not see how making unchained not sharing a CD timer with IR would make it OP. OP for pulling yes but other than that it will never be used again because it is a HUGE dps loss to use it in lieu of inner release. I suggest MINOR potency buffs because of how unforgiving WAR rotation and the fact war brings way less raid utility than PLD. And if war's utility and identity is locked into being the best dmg dealer of the 3 tanks then it should be without question.

WAR is unforgiving compared to the other tanks, I agree, but when played perfectly, the best players can out DPS the other tanks. Which is why any DPS increase, is only going to make them the go to tank like in HW again.
PLDs utility is in teamate support, and WAR has 2, both of which are hard to see for different reasons. But the one that currently matters to every group composition, is holmgangs short timer.

WAR is no longer as good in the OT role, as DRK and PLD are.

Thats why lowering the dmg of a single target for WAR i think is better, than giving it to DRK, as some ppl suggest.
(Its the closest thing to a cover/TBN, w/o being a direct copy. Similar to tempered will is to plunge, yet different)

Some want WAR to deal more DPS as its support, but with how every fight is a DPS check, and every fight can be won with WARs lack of teammate support/raid wide mitigation, it's too desirable.
(If this were an offline game, id agree to giving WAR more offense.)

Instead of direct potency buffs, some sort of way to lessen the penalty to mess ups would be better, as that would clear up the DPS, w/o going even higher than the current best WAR players. (I couldnt even suggest where to start on this, so I could be wrong, and it may be possible to raise potency buffs to fix this, w/o helpping the best players.)

As for unchained with IR, as I said, it "sounds" like it would make WAR a little too good, but I could be wrong.
Part of me thinks it should be a sort of middle ground.
Like, they share a CD still, but the CD of the oppossing ability is only half as long.
I know ppl want to stack them at times, but if the CD wasnt as long for the other, it wouldnt feel AS much of a loss, knowing they can alternate between them if they NEED to. (as WAR will be MTing more often than not now.)

Originally Posted by Tint

did i hear right that WAR gets an aoe shield?

Wait what? was this in the live letter and i missed it?
(woulda preferred a dmg down, of minor potency, like -7% if this is true.)

but to address the DRK comment, DRK gets TBN, the problem being that DRK is now the "lesser" in every category, even team support, if WAR gets a AoE shield that is anywhere near too potent. (anything above 10% is too potent/unfair)

EDIT: actually a way to ballance this sort of, is to make TBN be mixed with Dark Arts, and become an AoE. It would be a DPS loss, but if the group cant survive, its something.
(Of course then WAR really needs something to lower dmg dealt to the raid, like a 2nd reprisal)

Originally Posted by Tint

it's from the unofficial translation... :O

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ve_part_xxxix/

"Shake it Off to become some sort of defensive buff barrier for the party" - under job adjustments for WAR

Bah, thats what I get for sticking to the forums to see the translations lol, they just put "We'll give details about adjustments in the patch notes"