Boss Autoattack Damage and FFXIV's Tanking Meta

[MyaValentine]

in ff14 you have the option of going into DPS stance, where you take more damage and do less threat, but are rewarded with more dps. in wow, no such option exists. you just kinda sit there and it doesn't really matter that much what order you press your buttons in because you'll still have aggro anyway.

sounds to me then that ff14 is doing it righ then. you mention that the damage penalty is what makes tank stance bad, then what do you want? do you want ff14 become wow mindless tanking? I do like that we have a dps penalty while a bit too much I do like the trade off. so what do you sugest will imporve tank stance beside taking off the damage penalty.

[Kerrath]

sounds to me then that ff14 is doing it righ then. you mention that the damage penalty is what makes tank stance bad, then what do you want? do you want ff14 become wow mindless tanking? I do like that we have a dps penalty while a bit too much I do like the trade off. so what do you sugest will imporve tank stance beside taking off the damage penalty.

nothing, i think it's fine. the only change i might make would be to maybe make it so that there are too many tankbusters for cooldowns to be enough such that players are encouraged to use tank stance to absorb some tank busters.

[shao32]

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Ir Will be complety imposible, the amount of actual cds we have its so big that we never run out of colddowns with proper tank swap unleash you want the boses focus on dealt tank busters every 10 seconds or less, for no mention when we get more gear the little value the tank stance get (if it get some) will be get down again.

DPS stance Will be always have priority over tank stance unleash you buff the tank stance in a way there is imposible to survive or hold agro without it, adding more tank busters dont solve nothing.

[Kerrath]

Ir Will be complety imposible, the amount of actual cds we have its so big that we never run out of colddowns with proper tank swap unleash you want the boses focus on dealt tank busters every 10 seconds or less, for no mention when we get more gear the little value the tank stance get (if it get some) will be get down again.

DPS stance Will be always have priority over tank stance unleash you buff the tank stance in a way there is imposible to survive or hold agro without it, adding more tank busters dont solve nothing.

could make tankbusters hit harder instead

[Sarcatica]

could make tankbusters hit harder instead

Been discussed before, how many tanks actually even use proper CDs on tank busters? You are basically gating contents from these people. I know a lot of tanks raiding atm aren't doing their CD assignment well, some don't even use CDs for whatever reasons.

DPS stance Will be always have priority over tank stance unleash you buff the tank stance in a way there is imposible to survive or hold agro without it, adding more tank busters dont solve nothing.

Same thing as mentioned. You are going to deal with less tanks around, you can't really balance contents based on the hardcore community because they are the main reason why tanking in DPS stance is so popular. You want your game to be popular, you cater to the casual/midcore needs. That's simple business. Not all tanks in DPS stance can even do 80%++ (FFLogs) as well, it's not the game's fault that the players aren't optimizing themselves.

Shirk is the main offender for enmity generation, this single skill is so broken that you never have to worry about aggro that even to the point of not entering tank stance for pulling. Double Shirking is way too powerful.

Edit: This is not just to target 'MTs' that refuse to go DPS stance. Like I can nitpick about OTs doing less dps than their MTs, you can't blame anything else if your dps is lower than MT. You as the OT should be doing more DPS. Why are you even in the OT position if you gonna get outdps-ed by your MT? You aren't optimizing and that's not helping you and your team to be better.

[shao32]

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yep thats why any change on tank stances buffing defense or whatever or bosses desing on dealt much more damage will never work on fixing the tank stances.

the only way to make tanking in tank stance popular again is reducing the penalitations or adding mechanics to avoid complety the damage penalty and being able to dealt more or less the same dps in both positions, or something similar on that part, bcs i doubt complety ppl will stay quiet if SE made us face the pentaltys all the time we are in MT, insert here stance dance penalties 4.0

i say its clear idk why all tanks have to have to stance dance, is hilarious who some complaing about homogeniazion and the comunity is the responsable of the one how is pretty unfair in 2 of the tanks.

[Sylvina]

tsk...the meta never bothers me.....if my hp is lower than 50% during autoattack, the party can enjoy full time tank stance no matter what tank I play, in 4 men, 8 men, raids etc.

Same. if tanks can't MT in tank stance something is very wrong with the meta.

[dragonseth07]

Same. if tanks can't MT in tank stance something is very wrong with the meta.

If you want the meta to change, get a job at SE and change the game. Until you do that, we know what the optimized strat is, and ignoring it on some weird principle is asinine.

[aleph_null]

Same. if tanks can't MT in tank stance something is very wrong with the meta.

Meta is based on what's optimal given the situation in the game, it can't really be wrong. You don't like it? It's fine, but it doesn't make your "non-meta" playstyle optimal.

[Shinkyo]

the only way to make tanking in tank stance popular again is reducing the penalitations or adding mechanics to avoid complety the damage penanlty.

Another option is to put a mitigation penalty in DPS stance. Dps stance is low cost, high reward.
Make it high cost, high reward and we may have much more incentive to go tank stance (like old cleric stance).

It could be in the form of reduced healing received and/or reduced enmity generation. I don't think it's good to be able to comfortably tank with 100% dps stance uptime because there's no meaningful decision behind it.
I'd find it much more interesting to have to carefully plan our stance dancing rather than dps stance all the way.