Quote Originally Posted by era1Ne View Post
Is it an reasonable argument to say "i'll stand in every aoe to force new healers to heal more, if they don't want to dps?" No, it is not. Is it reasonable to start an insane discussion, when someone and i remember this happend - months ago - said "Well, i do dps, but i don't like it. Healers in games should heal more". When he basically did what people want, but just stated his opinion on healers in the game. I remember at the time, some comments where really toxic for no real reason, because he didn't refuse to do dmg. Just didnt like how healers play in this game.

Both sides can be unreasonable and Aylis is right that it doesn't help new healers, when you just don't use cd or start standing in everything, because then they get even more insecure, since they expect nothing but the worst of the group and they usually don't want people to die. Instead we should help them and tell them, "look we didn't get a lot of dmg, you can do a few dmg cast. Trust us". Helps much more than deliberately playing very bad to force the healer healing much more, because this could give him the mindset that there is really no place to do (a lot of) dmg. Which is ofc wrong, since there is a lot of space to do dmg. Additionally the dd comparisons are sometimes bad, because you literally can't kill people in 90% of the dungeons with doing your rotation wrongly. But you can kill people, if you don't heal in the right moments. While i get that people want healers to dps and personally i like healers to dps aswell, some people don't see the difference between dps and healers mistakes and what they can mean for the group. Heal mistakes have an higher risk of killing people and this makes a difference.
I'm not sure how we got from my post to talking about someone threatening to stand in AoEs. I didn't say that there weren't people being unreasonable on either side; I specifically agreed with a previous point that there was a lack of reasonable arguments in favor of able, experienced healers using their full kits appropriately.