Please Please Please Remove Esuna From CrossRole

[Leigaon]

While I understand the frustration, if this wasn't a new healer and they refused to use Esuna. I highly doubt it making it a mandatory thing would have made them do it. If it's not on their hotbar already, they probably wouldn't have used it anyways.

I'm not disagreeing it should be mandatory, but in this case..it seems like you got a jerk healer. Who would probably not use it on you just to spite you even after asking for it.

I think what they might end up doing is splitting the role actions into two sections. One that doesn't allow you to remove them and others that you can adjust. This role system is the tip of the iceberg that could have some potential. In the future they could expand on it and have Protect / Esuna as mandatory role actions but another section of 5 slots for "optional" and increase the amount of options.

If we don't remove it, but adjust it..we get the same result. Esuna is made automatic and mandatory, and...the healer still can choose to not use it.

I'd say keep Esuna where it is and instead remove Protect from the game altogether.

I'd much rather have protect get an increase like it has in PVP before removing it. Yes so far it says it's for WHM only, but to adjust it so that it can be used for all jobs via their gauges would make it interesting to use again. Adding this kind of resource to most actions would be a possible welcome change, or an unnecessary complication...whichever.

[Saevel]

I'd say keep Esuna where it is and instead remove Protect from the game altogether. We always cast it, and it's switched out for another skill for the 30 minute duration, which is typically longer than any instance content. Let's be honest: you don't bring a healer along because they can cast protect, you bring them for everything else.

Just remove it and increase everyone's native defenses proportionally. Doing so frees up the slot for (almost) always equipping Esuna.

[Okamimaru]

I love this "use a macro to swap" argument... use one button to swap skill A to skill B, use another button to use skill B, use another button to swap back to skill A then use another button to use skill A... 4 buttons for 2 skills... not a big deal on a keyboard but a mess on a controller... no wonder people hesitate to play healers

[Sebazy]

It's also problematic in Savage content =(

[Kabooa]

Just remove it and increase everyone's native defenses proportionally. Doing so frees up the slot for (almost) always equipping Esuna.

Alternatively, they could use the PVP version of Protect.

Honestly, a lot of the changes they made in PvP would make a lot of sense in the PVE environment, in terms of taking some of the least used abilities and making them not only useful but desirable.

Sole Survivor, Protect, PvP's version of 'Third Eye' and Seigan, retaining the Hate-combo bonus effects for tanks.

The playstyle, not so much. I don't find PVE's playstyle needs much changing, but the ability / utility overhaul PVP got is something they could stand to look at implementing over on this side of the pond.

[technole]

I don't know anyone that is completely happy with the cross-roles, it's an issue in savage for every role.

I get the intent was to eliminate button bloat but what they have done has made us practically do a cross-role check for every savage fight. Tanks in O3S, swap-in Awareness. Or some melee DPS taking Arm's Length for O4S, they can swap Invigorate for it. Same with healers and rescue or surecast. One healer can just not take protect for-example.

I have to remind my group sometimes to check their stuff just because how this system works, otherwise we'd just wipe and fix. I use protect swap macro buttons, since my other healer always takes protect.

[Tridus]

I love this "use a macro to swap" argument... use one button to swap skill A to skill B, use another button to use skill B, use another button to swap back to skill A then use another button to use skill A... 4 buttons for 2 skills... not a big deal on a keyboard but a mess on a controller... no wonder people hesitate to play healers

That's less of an 'argument' and more of a 'you can do this to make it less annoying until SE fixes it' situation. The Protect swap macro only exists because in dungeon content Protect is only used at the very start and never again. So you can have a dead slot for the entire run, swap it in and out manually constantly, or let a macro do it for you.

[Kabzy]

Just remove Protect and give us Virus back :'D

I don't care much for Esuna, it's really not mandatory in most fights and the worst case scenario is you cause one wipe before putting it back on your hotbar. Even that should only happen when you're running content blind for the first time, it's not a big deal. And for SCH you can just SC Selene in and sort it out.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

Most status detriment in the game can't be removed and the ones that can are usually avoidable or can be removed by doing the mechanic properly. You don't need esuna.

O4 Normal says otherwise. Literally they have the boss cast a cleanse-able doom on 2 players once at the beginning of the fight. Its a mechanic absent from OS4 and it is literally there only to make sure one healer is wasting a role skill on esuna. Because that fight has nothing of note else to cleanse.

[Tridus]

O4 Normal says otherwise. Literally they have the boss cast a cleanse-able doom on 2 players once at the beginning of the fight. Its a mechanic absent from OS4 and it is literally there only to make sure one healer is wasting a role skill on esuna. Because that fight has nothing of note else to cleanse.

I mean, you *could* Thin Air and raise both of them instead... but yes, it seems only there to catch out groups where nobody brought Esuna. I sure hope that isn't the design plan long term.