come on

[Naunet]

A lot of the people that want job/class gear unlocked need to learn basic respect for other's opinions.

SE isn't just some individual expressing an opinion. It's a company producing a product for us - the customers. It has zero to do with "respecting" opinions and everything to do with customers informing a business what they would like to see in the product.

[LaylaTsarra]

SE isn't just some individual expressing an opinion. It's a company producing a product for us - the customers. It has zero to do with "respecting" opinions and everything to do with customers informing a business what they would like to see in the product.

You're one customer. Sorry but YOUR OPINION is noted but it isn't the only opinion. I'll go on the record as not wanting AF gear unlocked. I think different roles should look different and I get the feeling SE feels the same way.

[Serilda]

If the lock remains, Naunet is forced to be unable to dress as she wants. If it's removed, nobody is forcing anyone to dress in non-matching AF gear. Sure, other people may be unsightly to them, but even more likely is that other people will dress in silly comedy outfits with no relationship to their role anyway. Plenty of other players look like fashion disasters already and they're more than welcome to dress that way. A few extra options won't destroy anything that isn't already broken.

AF locks make a mess of lore.
AF locks are meaningless in telling roles apart as almost nobody uses AF once other gear is easily obtained.

[Welsper59]

Yeah I agree

It's one thing to disagree with another person's ideals and respect it. And it's another thing to force them to change their ideals just because you disagree with them.
A lot of the people that want job/class gear unlocked need to learn basic respect for other's opinions. The dev's opinion is that they value classes/jobs looking in specific ways.

I personally disagree with that idea but I respect it
More people need to learn respect

Hopefully they can start adding gear that isn't Artifact gear into gold saucer, specially leveling gear or old gear that doesn't need to be locked anymore.

Has there been disrespect? I really haven't glanced much more than a skim on the other pages, but I don't think there was any on page 4.

Keep in mind that disrespect is not a simple matter of argument nor a manner of shutting down an argument (since it is possible to respectfully do so). People rightly state reasons behind their thoughts and those reasons are a matter of argument. It's the reasons that can often be either closed minded on one or both sides, irrational, or just outright wrong. The idea is usually not the problem, it's the reasoning. If it really came down to it, an irrational reasoning really would just get a pass by simply acknowledging said irrationality and/or just saying it's a matter of personal preference.

Not saying that's the case here, but I don't think there's really too much of a ground to stand on in terms of job integrity. Assuming the devs are still holding onto that perspective today as the only reason. I mean...

[Skivvy]

I stand corrected then. Although given FFXI is virtually on life support now and they're basically giving formerly long sort after items away for basically nothing now (via the monthly login rewards - I got a Joyuese and completed my AF 2 sets for several Jobs from the rewards from one such event for instance), it's clear the bare bones development team for FFXI simply does not consider things like consistency in Job appearance as important anymore. Signs a game is in it's Indian Summer. (Incidentally I'm really sorry if it looks like I'm bashing FFXI here, I love FFXI and treasure my 13+ years I've played it, it's just I don't try to hide my preference for FFXIV over FFXI).

Hence you will not see that here - FFXIV is still in it's prime, and as I have mentioned previously Yoshi stated long ago why gear is restricted to Job here in FFXIV (and thus so is glamour), to him the image of a Job is just as important as it's role and abilities, hence the restrictions on what gear can be worn by what Job. And it is not going to change. That's the reality of the situation, accept it or not, it's not something SE are going to alter.

I really don't think anyone can claim job consistency or lore as a valid excuse as to why glamours are so restrictive in XIV. Sure, if we didn't have people clad in bikinis, and emperor's clothing, and chicken suits, reindeers, snowmen running around all over, you may have an argument to work around. But XIV is so full of things that make no sense, and don't hold to lore, and break immersion. Fan service is huge in this game. Do Yokai characters really fit in the world of Eorzea? Should we have Lightning running around the lands somehow? I don't see how letting people mix and match armor sets is really going to offend or take away whatever it is XIV is trying to go for.

[Nezerius]

Flawed argument. Different market back then. Technologies and systems were still being developed in the MMO world. That excuse doesn't fly now; what's more, this isn't Square Enix's first MMO. It's like saying every new car company that crops up has to go through a Model T era before they can be expected to build modern cars.

Can you show me an mmo from 2010 that had a glamour system similar to current day WoW, or GW2?
You do know that 1.0 was released in 2010, right? Y'know, that MMO that failed horribly and get redeveloped into the MMO you're currently playing? The same MMO that's likely still using code from its 1.0 era?

Yes, current day newly designed MMOs are developed with features like that in mind. Yes, I'd love it if XIV had a glamour system similar to current day WoW/GW2, but those things take time when developed for an MMO that wasn't designed with a system like that already in place.

[Kakiko]

There's a hundred edna's running around. And a thousand scythes. People dressed as chocobos. Like it makes no sense to keep these restrictions in place any more. Emersion is out of the window when it comes to glamours. Just look around. And clearly we dont care about making sure new people aren't confused bc, again, look around.

My boyfriend and I got into an argument about this very thing. My boyfriend's stance was "well, black mages are very characteristic looking; black clothing; black pointy hat, etc. You don't want people getting you confused with, say, a white mage or a dragoon, so they make it so you look like a black mage".. I walked about 10 feet and looked at a WHM who was wearing exactly what he said: Black robes, and a black pointy hat and I asked him "what do you think she is", his answer "black mage, obviously". Wrong.

So I agree, the restrictions don't make a lot of sense.

[Nezerius]

My boyfriend and I got into an argument about this very thing. My boyfriend's stance was "well, black mages are very characteristic looking; black clothing; black pointy hat, etc. You don't want people getting you confused with, say, a white mage or a dragoon, so they make it so you look like a black mage".. I walked about 10 feet and looked at a WHM who was wearing exactly what he said: Black robes, and a black pointy hat and I asked him "what do you think she is", his answer "black mage, obviously". Wrong.

So I agree, the restrictions don't make a lot of sense.

On the other hand, the first white mage AF robe (Healer's/Cleric's Robe) is pretty iconic to the series, and would be pretty difficult to make a close replica of, on a non-WHM job.
To me, a DRK running around in a Healer's/Cleric's Robe would be sillier than the same DRK running around in a bikini or a chocobo suit.

[Kakiko]

On the other hand, the first white mage AF robe (Healer's/Cleric's Robe) is pretty iconic to the series, and would be pretty difficult to make a close replica of, on a non-WHM job.
To me, a DRK running around in a Healer's/Cleric's Robe would be sillier than the same DRK running around in a bikini or a chocobo suit.

Agreed, actually. However, there are some (many) items that don't seem iconic but are still locked to only specific people. That's what bothers me most.