come on

[Skivvy]

Not true. Style Lock is deactivated if you change Jobs in FFXI (meaning you lose whatever appearance you have glamoured), thus preventing you from adding AF to the wrong Job just like it is here in FFXIV (if it actually allowed it, then that is something that was only possible for a short time and was changed, as shown here:



Although I do agree FFXI's Style Lock is a better system than FFXIV's Glamour Prisms, it's not perfect, and has it's own set of issues. And as has been mentioned, it was only implemented into the game anyway because FFXIV had already implemented it, FFXI is merely playing catch-up. Either way, although the current system can be improved, it's better than no glamour at all. People should really be grateful for what we have instead of constantly demanding "MOAR!" First World Problems I guess...

I'm struggling to find the part of NintenPyjak's comment that wasn't true. XI lets you glamour any gear you wish, to any job, as long as you are actually able to wear that piece of gear normally on the main job. So for example if I have RDM, WHM, PLD, and GEO leveled to level 99, I could use any piece of gear that I could normally equip on one of those jobs to mix-and-match a new outfit for myself - and I could even apply this to my level 1 PLD that I'm leveling if I wanted to.

Also, AF and other job-specific gear is completely fair game. These are not locked.

Here is a picture of my THF wearing all WHM gear.


And here is my level 1 PLD wearing the same glamour set:


Lockstyle lets you save 100 different sets, and all you have to do is go to the menu, find your desired glamour, and equip it. See screenshots for the process:



Yes, when you change a job, you do lose the style, but all you have to do is go back into the menu and equip it.

IMO, XI's system is far superior to XIV. It's really not complicated at all, it's totally free, there are no glamour crystals to use, and it lets people come up with some really unique outfits since everything is available to use (provided you have the job leveled).



Also, all screenshots were from this morning, so none of this is outdated information. Right-click to enlarge if you're having trouble with the text - I didn't have time to crop things to make it easier to see

[Naunet]

You're depressing me, Skivvy. T_T

[Skivvy]

You're depressing me, Skivvy. T_T

I'm right there with you!

I can (sort of) understand if XIV doesn't want to borrow ideas from their competition, but this is something that they implemented in their own MMO. Instead of creating something similar, we get a system that is overly convoluted and restrictive.



And two additional pictures - just to try and show the ease and range

To make a gear set in XI, all you do is select the gear from the list that you want to use in a particular slot..


.. and voila! This is not a cute look, but it's using 4 pieces of AF from 4 different jobs (Corsair hat, Thief body, Geomancer legs, White mage feet).

[Serilda]

That XI system would be so good. Not quite as good as a proper glamour log for collecting and dealing with issues like cash shop gear you cannot store, but awesome for fashion experiments. When I heard that they were considering some kind of list feature I thought the worse, but if they just rip their own FFXI system idea off that would be a most welcome change.

[Skivvy]

That XI system would be so good. Not quite as good as a proper glamour log for collecting and dealing with issues like cash shop gear you cannot store, but awesome for fashion experiments. When I heard that they were considering some kind of list feature I thought the worse, but if they just rip their own FFXI system idea off that would be a most welcome change.

I would be sooo happy if they went with the XI style - or something close. Honestly, I just want all gear to be unlocked to use on any class, and for glamours to work even on your low-level characters. This is the one thing that would get me off my lazy ass and actually start running dungeons and leveling jobs.

If they did bring this change, I would also hope this was accompanied by a proper glamour log as well.

In XI, you will normally have multiple sets per each job, and the gear is switched actively during battle - so the gear has to stay on you (they give you an insane amount of storage to compensate for this). XIV obviously doesn't have that same system, so the glamour would just be an inventory burden if they don't create a log as well.

[Welsper59]

I would be sooo happy if they went with the XI style - or something close. Honestly, I just want all gear to be unlocked to use on any class, and for glamours to work even on your low-level characters.

If they did bring this change, I would also hope this was accompanied by a proper glamour log as well.

I agree. I was going to point out the same thing and the merits behind it. Given the point that XIV is at, I would hope (relatively) free customization would be an option some time in the reasonable future. I get that there would be limitations for models that do not support the given weapon/race, but job armor limitations are obviously not one of them. I quite enjoy the freedom to customize my XI characters.

Just-Bought-Overpriced-Junk Mall Ninja (FYI: Job is BLU, hands/feet are PLD AF, chest is SMN or MNK/SAM/NIN, legs are MNK/SAM/NIN, helm is BLU AF3)


Overly Strict and Creepy Gym Teacher

[Naunet]

Yeah, I don't wanna hear a single peep from the "AF gear must be restricted!" folk after all these posts. Clearly XI doesn't suffer.

[Enkidoh]

I stand corrected then. Although given FFXI is virtually on life support now and they're basically giving formerly long sort after items away for basically nothing now (via the monthly login rewards - I got a Joyuese and completed my AF 2 sets for several Jobs from the rewards from one such event for instance), it's clear the bare bones development team for FFXI simply does not consider things like consistency in Job appearance as important anymore. Signs a game is in it's Indian Summer. (Incidentally I'm really sorry if it looks like I'm bashing FFXI here, I love FFXI and treasure my 13+ years I've played it, it's just I don't try to hide my preference for FFXIV over FFXI).

Hence you will not see that here - FFXIV is still in it's prime, and as I have mentioned previously Yoshi stated long ago why gear is restricted to Job here in FFXIV (and thus so is glamour), to him the image of a Job is just as important as it's role and abilities, hence the restrictions on what gear can be worn by what Job. And it is not going to change. That's the reality of the situation, accept it or not, it's not something SE are going to alter.

[Naunet]

SE changes their mind about tons of things. I see no reason why we cannot ask them to change their mind about this.

[Ghastly]

I stand corrected then. Although given FFXI is virtually on life support now and they're basically giving formerly long sort after items away for basically nothing now (via the monthly login rewards - I got a Joyuese and completed my AF 2 sets for several Jobs from the rewards from one such event for instance), it's clear the bare bones development team for FFXI simply does not consider things like consistency in Job appearance as important anymore. Signs a game is in it's Indian Summer. (Incidentally I'm really sorry if it looks like I'm bashing FFXI here, I love FFXI and treasure my 13+ years I've played it, it's just I don't try to hide my preference for FFXIV over FFXI).

Hence you will not see that here - FFXIV is still in it's prime, and as I have mentioned previously Yoshi stated long ago why gear is restricted to Job here in FFXIV (and thus so is glamour), to him the image of a Job is just as important as it's role and abilities, hence the restrictions on what gear can be worn by what Job. And it is not going to change. That's the reality of the situation, accept it or not, it's not something SE are going to alter.

Yeah I agree

It's one thing to disagree with another person's ideals and respect it. And it's another thing to force them to change their ideals just because you disagree with them.
A lot of the people that want job/class gear unlocked need to learn basic respect for other's opinions. The dev's opinion is that they value classes/jobs looking in specific ways.

I personally disagree with that idea but I respect it
More people need to learn respect

Hopefully they can start adding gear that isn't Artifact gear into gold saucer, specially leveling gear or old gear that doesn't need to be locked anymore.