We can't

[otarolgam]

False. 1.0 used Crystal Tools, the same engine SE used for FFXIII and it's sequels (and which was not up to the task of rendering a MMO world). ARR uses a custom made engine based on Luminous Engine, the engine that FFXV runs under, with some components of other off-the-shelf engines made by other companies (I believe they use features of Speedtrees and Havoc for various environment components as well.) The only things carried from 1.0 are gameplay functions necessary to support 1.0 character data being transferred in, like aspects of the Armoury System.

Wait, what? I thought the Luminous Engine was only specific to FFXV...

[Endeleon]

All I get out of this, is that we need to kill the cash cow (XIV) and then higher ups have no choice but to delay or cancel games. SE's quality on most of their projects has diminished anyways. Only a matter of time before SE becomes the next Konami.

Hmm, I would have agreed 5 years ago but SE has made a huge turn around in the past two years. And why would they kill the cash chop when that is what pays for more developments?

[Teraluna]

We can't
We can't
We can't stop complaining apparently

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

We shouldn't have to wait 7+ years for a modern MMO to have what others had years ago.

The game is still FF first, mmo later. Even FF15 was revamped for modern rpg -this year-.
Non-rpg mmo were never the market, those components people keep comparing can burn in hell.

[Venur]

And why would they kill the cash chop when that is what pays for more developments?

Cuz its not a free to play.

Personaly my only grip with the cash feature is the extra retainer. FF XIV is the only pay 2 play with a monthly sub that have such a feature. Even most free to play give you infinite auction house room when you sub and if you take SWtoR as an exemple you get your max crew member by subing. And the game is ran by EA the most greedy company that I can think of.

[Mimilu]

We can't
We can't
We can't stop complaining apparently

People complain because they care.
Complaining is better then being quiet and letting the game grow stagnate.

[SendohJin]

People complain because they care.
Complaining is better then being quiet and letting the game grow stagnate.

There are many ways to complain, the OPs list is a bad way.

[Skivvy]

The game is still FF first, mmo later. Even FF15 was revamped for modern rpg -this year-.
Non-rpg mmo were never the market, those components people keep comparing can burn in hell.

That is one bizarre excuse.

XIV is an MMO and its competition is other MMOs. SE has been in the MMO business since 2002 and so they should have a pretty good feel of the market.

[Enla]

Honestly the fact that ARR was made off the broken husk of 1.0 is really all you need to know in regards to why they're constantly shooting down suggestions. 1.0 was for lack of a better phrase, strung together with bits of gum and string, and barely functional by most MMO standards. The coding was shit, the methodologies absolutely nonsensical if you care to ask someone versed in programming, and overall it showed that SE really had no idea what they were doing in spite of having a previous MMO under their belt to learn from. People are not kidding when they say that in order to fix all these issues they would literally have to create an entirely new engine and start from scratch, and frankly it might very well eventually come to that as more and more limitations are pushed against with each new expansion. Yet I'd be amazed if it was ever implemented before the eleventh hour, as Japanese businesses are /not/ known for overhauls when what is currently being used has /some/ functionality. And I don't think it's necessarily fair to lambaste Yoshi P for that either, as ultimately the ones who hold the funding for a new engine are the board of directors at SE itself.

[JunseiKei]

All I get out of this, is that we need to kill the cash cow (XIV) and then higher ups have no choice but to delay or cancel games. SE's quality on most of their projects has diminished anyways. Only a matter of time before SE becomes the next Konami.

Just no. At least SE still has people that actually care about the games. Konami just sells out and makes pachinko machines using the names to draw people in. Capcom is closer to becoming the next Konami, as seeing how they handled Mega Man and Marvel VS Capcom Infinity; Street Fighter V isn't doing too hot, either. It almost seems like Monster Hunter World is a last ditch effort to keep die-hard fans (outside Japan- Monster Hunter is stupidly popular in Japan).

Poster boy who puts himself at the front of everything in this game. You chose to be at the front you get to see the good and the bad. How many other MMO's have you played where you could pick dev team member out of the line? How many other MMO's have you played where anniversary event is a plug for dev team.

Is it his fault, no. Does he deserve the criticism, yes. He has chosen by personal or by taking company pay checks to be the face. Game devs don't need to be a focal point of the community.

More like Yoshida has been recognized as the person who gambled and pulled of something that was nothing short of a last-ditch-miracle. Not anyone else. Also, personally, it's kind of cool that the team of FFXIV is able to say thank you more personally in The Rising events. Most events I find to be borderline tacky, but still enjoyable. I actually look forward to The Rising every year. It's one of the few times we get to see what goes through the team's minds with this game.

Long story short other game MMO's seem to manage certain design functions. No one has asked for stuff that isn't mostly basic feature in other games. Other games that do not have a monthly sub plus a cash shop. If someone asks for something not running in another MMO tell them SE is not an innovator and to be realistic.

The thing is, this is all fluff. Glamour logs, more character customization, more-than-two-jobs, dying multiple segments on a gear. Most of this stuff isn't found in any one game. I can name games with one or two of these vanity or fluff features, but none with all of them. Maybe WoW (I don't know what WoW does or does not have)?

Most MMOs add only one new job per expansion, if that. Most MMOs don't even add new races for years, if ever. Most MMOs only dye the entire piece of clothing, usually just the shade over the entire piece. Most MMOs don't have a separate clothing/glamour section, or if they do, they use a cash-shop-only section; most of these MMOs, glamour is largely locked behind the cash shop, too. Most MMOs don't have a PTR. Most MMOs don't have infinite auction house slots - some just have far larger caps than others.

Lastly, most MMOs add these features because the game was built around having these features in at start, or will be able to implement later. I don't thing FFXIV ever got that chance by the time Yoshida arrived. At launch for 1.0, the game probably wasn't designed for any of these features. I like fluff as much as the next person, but I also like games with content more. WoW pushes out stuff every three months, too, so it looks, but I noticed they don't push story out every three months like FFXIV does. *Reading WoW patch list and what they contain.* This seems to be every 6 months.

That is one bizarre excuse.

XIV is an MMO and its competition is other MMOs. SE has been in the MMO business since 2002 and so they should have a pretty good feel of the market.

*Considers.* So tell me, how many MMOs, that are modern, survive the genre with a subscription based model? The truth is, most MMOs don't know how to survive their own market. SE thought they had a good feel of the market- that's how we wound up with FFXIV 1.0. We know how that turned out.


I'm not white knighting SE. I'm just entirely convinced quite a few vocal posters are very delusional (and also not saying the people I've quoted are ).