Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
The only time you should be harping on someone for not going for 80, 90, or 100% potential output is in the content that demands it.
Uh..are you just speaking in general? Because I don't harp on anyone at all. So I am not sure why you have directed this at me?

I do the exact same as you, maybe offer advice, and move on. So...?

Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
A bare minimum that somehow doesn't lead to success is a terrible baseline.
Yeah it is terrible, but one problem.... if you really want my opinion on this even though I never said anything about "bare minimum for success". Some people can and do play at a bare minimum that won't lead to success if everyone in the party played the same way.

The thing is that usually when you get these players there are enough other players in the group doing high percentile performance which ends up back packing the failure of the other teammate. Sometimes you get a group unable to pick up the slack of a very underperforming player and they just fail until the group disbands.

Also again you still don't get it that I was using "bare minimum" for a role, not a bare minimum for success of the content or a baseline for the content. So if you still don't understand what I was saying then I'm sorry, but this convo isn't going anywhere. You are just throwing stuff at me that has nothing to do with what I posted and possibly accusing me of stuff I don't even do.

Did you read this response?

Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
The fun thing about the bare minimum for success is that it's definition changes depending on how many people are performing down there. An entire party at the bare minimum has a much higher "minimum" that one with seven people playing well and one carry.

Which goes back to the core point - ignoring large parts of your kit by doing the least you can get away with is making everyone else work that much harder to carry you. That's not behavior that should be encouraged in team play. That lots of content is forgiving enough for carrying you to be possible isn't a justification for doing that, because it won't work if everyone behaves the same way.
She explains the problem quite well with what you are saying.