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    Miste Vaer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    Miste,
    lots of misunderstanding here, maybe I didn't make myself clear enough.

    First, as it has been said many times, the game content was tuned without healer dps in mind.
    No matter what he says unless the game design that is currently enforced for healers changes in some way then his statement means nothing because objectively the game leaves way too many opportunities for healers to DPS and objectively if you aren't using those opportunities you could be playing better and contributing more.

    Just because content isn't tuned with healer DPS in mind doesn't somehow make healer DPS useless that's the whole problem. He is simply stating a fact about how they designed the amount of HP of enemies in encounters, but the healer DPS capability is still very strong, and there are many places to use it. So it adds to contribution if you are skilled enough to do it and speed up runs and of course avoid being the only player in the group idling. DPS roles always have to be pressing buttons to do high DPS in an encounter, tank's also have to keep pressing buttons to hold hate and mitigate and do DPS, why do healers get a pass to stand around idle watching netflix and only pressing some buttons once in awhile?

    Equal effort and all that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    I never said that !
    What I find ridiculous is using one's position as a better player to belittle another player, which isn't the same thing at all !!!
    If I misunderstood I apologize, but...I think the reason I misunderstood is that most of us debating in here are not doing ^that so....

    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    But now lately, all that elite harassement has began to become more and more common. And young people will often emulate what they find "cool". And how youngsters look the "coolest" nowadays on the internet is sadly through harassement... So if more and more people give the impression that healer DPS is mandatory, it will more and more become a reason for those little toxic players to yell at any healer that isn't DPSing.
    You cannot blame every pro-healer DPS person for the rude actions of other people. We are basically having a discussion about how the healer role in this game functions and why healers should be actively putting effort in to DPSing when they can, if others go out and harass healers over it how is that my fault for example?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    It is also our job as better players to be constructive and not just take the "git gud" shortcut.
    I am always constructive in-game. You know what I get told back at me for my polite constructive advice?

    "it's my sub I play how I want", "mind your own business", "insert nasty swears and harassment", and it goes on.

    You are another person not seeing the other side of things that it is not only the "better" players that harass others. So if you are going to campaign for people not to harass others you should also campaign the other side of it as well.

    I have an earlier post I made about this problem as well if you missed it maybe.
    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
    click on the blue >> near my name to go see this post if you care to read it



    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    The bare minimum for success
    I never said "for success" anywhere in either of my previous posts?

    What I was saying in my previous post about not going into DF doing bare minimum "for your role" was that you shouldn't go in and only spam one button just because you can. A MNK spamming Dragon Kick over and over is technically fulfilling the bare minimum of his role. On a basic level as long as a DPS job is doing more than 0 DPS then they are still fulfilling the basic requirement... albeit badly and very minimalist.

    This is just turning into a semantics argument so I'm sorry but I am not interested in it. You are simply trying to nitpick one singular sentence in my previous post to try to prove some kind of point, but it isn't even the main point of that post at all and you misinterpreted what I meant by bare minimum and tacked on something that I didn't even say.
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    Last edited by Miste; 09-06-2017 at 02:24 AM.