4.1 Hype and Speculation

[Balipu]

I'm sure everyone's favorite Moose would do a thread like this eventually, but I want to start the discussion now.

So 4.1 is comming early october with enough content to make even the most hardcore wow fan envious. In terms of story we gonna get more Hildy story, lots of lore for the Ivalice raid, kojin beast tribe quests and of course the MSQ.

And we have the title. The Legend Returns.

So who is the legend? Papalymo? Louisouix? Gaius? Nael? Lahabrea? Hildebrand? The real Yda? Minfilia? A viera?

[Kyran-Varlsen]

Link please, if there is one.

[Balipu]

Link please, if there is one.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...63#post4389763

Honestly, I'm more hype for the systems improvements than anything else. I mean Shinryu EX is really cool and facing Ultimate Coil bosses is just rad. But!

- /tell and friending across worlds!
- pre-made alliances in PF!
- custom PvP matches!

SE's devs are working hard on a lot of "boring" stuff and that gets me all kinds of excited. Poor guys are probably cursing the 1.0 infrastructure every step of the way too.

Same here. Lots of cool new stuff. But this IS the lore forum so I'll leave non lore stuff for the general discussion forum.

[Cilia]

"The Legend Returns" is probably referring to Ramza. It's stated that the adaptation of Ivalice was done by introducing an Arthurian legend to Dalmasca / Rabanastre; one can only assume this cast Ramza as Arthur. This remains to be seen, but that's what I'm going with for now. Past that I'm not keen on speculating about it, since I know the outline of the Ivalice games and some of its finer myth points but would rather see Hydaelyn be its own standalone world. (Is Sephiroth gonna be a Garlean myth too? How about Ultimecia? Kuja? Yu Yevon? /sarcasm)

Kojin beast tribe quests make me happy. Turtle men. Now if only they were teenage ninjas... the mutant part need not apply.

Hildibrand is always a good time.

Patiently waiting for into on the MSQ.

[Theodric]

My predictions:

- We'll meet the characters mentioned in the short story that took place in Limsa.
- The patch will mostly revolve around affairs in Gyr Abania, dealing with the fallout of the 4.0 MSQ's.
- We'll likely get some major lore bombs about the mysterious ruins below the salt lochs.
- Elidibus' face will be revealed to us.
- Potential use of the Garlean Consulate to engage on civil terms with the Emperor or some other major figure aligned with Garlemald. (This may happen later on in the expansion, though.)
- Return to Ivalice will be very nuanced, doing the games it is based off of justice in the process. No doubt there will be an element of tragedy to it all.
- Flavour text for key NPC's will be updated, particularly Hien, Hancock, Magnai, Sadu and so on even if they're not a part of the MSQ's this time around. We may see them briefly if there's a jump back to the Far East.
- The Doman Enclave and Rhalgr's Reach will both be updated physically.
- Laurentius and Yuyuhase (?) may show up. Chaos may ensue if they're thrown into the same prison as Fordola.

[Balipu]

The character from the Limsa story? Well consider they were Alisaie, Y'shtola and Lyse, yes I am pretty sure we will meet them.

[Theodric]

The character from the Limsa story? Well consider they were Alisaie, Y'shtola and Lyse, yes I am pretty sure we will meet them.

Lyse mentioned an Ala Mhigan who is helping her with political issues and Alpinaud supposedly has a 'new friend'.

[TinyRedLeaf]

"The Legend Returns" is probably referring to Ramza. It's stated that the adaptation of Ivalice was done by introducing an Arthurian legend to Dalmasca / Rabanastre; one can only assume this cast Ramza as Arthur.

Like Theodric said — the "legend" with regard to the Ivalice myth — is likely to be more nuanced than that. The Garleans apparently remember it as the story of a peasant who became a hero in a time of chaos. So, to them, Delita is quite possibly the legend, while the truth about Ramza was lost in time.

Depending on how much the raid arc traces the outlines of the FF-Tactics, it may well be the case we're going to Rabanastre to uncover the truth.

[Enkidoh]

"The Legend Returns" is probably referring to Ramza. It's stated that the adaptation of Ivalice was done by introducing an Arthurian legend to Dalmasca / Rabanastre; one can only assume this cast Ramza as Arthur. This remains to be seen, but that's what I'm going with for now.

Just a little nitpick but FF Tactics's storyline was actually loosely based on real-world history - viz Ivalice's 50 Year War and the War of the Lions being actually clearly taken from the Hundred Years' War and the War of the Roses of English history.. only with magic and demon summoning.

In the context of FFXIV the 'Return to Ivalice' raid is going to be actually based on an "old Garlean legend", emphasis on legend, so to me that means we're going to end up with something like the Minstrel's Ballad on a raid scale, in other words, someone will tell the story of it to the player's character and their imagination does the rest (hence we wouldn't actually be going to Ivalice in reality, merely imagining it).

It would easily fit within the lore without any changes and still satisfy the "Ivalice and Hydaelyn are separate worlds" rule Yoshi has set in the past. Either way, we'll find out soon enough.

[WhiteArchmage]

FFT's framing device itself also works in this case since the original game is just Aralzam Durai reading from his ancestor's book describing the events of the War of the Lions, and just how much Durai's account differs from official history. I would like if there were some similarities (a combination of echo visions and minstrel's ballad-esque scenarios to help us find the truth behind the legend) to FFT but, really, I just wanna see what Matsuno does with it.