Thread: 4.1 Hype and Speculation

"The Legend Returns" is probably referring to Ramza. It's stated that the adaptation of Ivalice was done by introducing an Arthurian legend to Dalmasca / Rabanastre; one can only assume this cast Ramza as Arthur. This remains to be seen, but that's what I'm going with for now. Past that I'm not keen on speculating about it, since I know the outline of the Ivalice games and some of its finer myth points but would rather see Hydaelyn be its own standalone world. (Is Sephiroth gonna be a Garlean myth too? How about Ultimecia? Kuja? Yu Yevon? /sarcasm)

Kojin beast tribe quests make me happy. Turtle men. Now if only they were teenage ninjas... the mutant part need not apply.

Hildibrand is always a good time.

Patiently waiting for into on the MSQ.

Originally Posted by Cilia

"The Legend Returns" is probably referring to Ramza. It's stated that the adaptation of Ivalice was done by introducing an Arthurian legend to Dalmasca / Rabanastre; one can only assume this cast Ramza as Arthur. This remains to be seen, but that's what I'm going with for now.

Just a little nitpick but FF Tactics's storyline was actually loosely based on real-world history - viz Ivalice's 50 Year War and the War of the Lions being actually clearly taken from the Hundred Years' War and the War of the Roses of English history.. only with magic and demon summoning.

In the context of FFXIV the 'Return to Ivalice' raid is going to be actually based on an "old Garlean legend", emphasis on legend, so to me that means we're going to end up with something like the Minstrel's Ballad on a raid scale, in other words, someone will tell the story of it to the player's character and their imagination does the rest (hence we wouldn't actually be going to Ivalice in reality, merely imagining it).

It would easily fit within the lore without any changes and still satisfy the "Ivalice and Hydaelyn are separate worlds" rule Yoshi has set in the past. Either way, we'll find out soon enough.

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

Like Theodric said — the "legend" with regard to the Ivalice myth — is likely to be more nuanced than that. The Garleans apparently remember it as the story of a peasant who became a hero in a time of chaos. So, to them, Delita is quite possibly the legend, while the truth about Ramza was lost in time.

Depending on how much the raid arc traces the outlines of the FF-Tactics, it may well be the case we're going to Rabanastre to uncover the truth.

Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Just a little nitpick but FF Tactics's storyline was actually loosely based on real-world history - viz Ivalice's 50 Year War and the War of the Lions being actually clearly taken from the Hundred Years' War and the War of the Roses of English history.. only with magic and demon summoning.

In the context of FFXIV the 'Return to Ivalice' raid is going to be actually based on an "old Garlean legend", emphasis on legend, so to me that means we're going to end up with something like the Minstrel's Ballad on a raid scale, in other words, someone will tell the story of it to the player's character and their imagination does the rest (hence we wouldn't actually be going to Ivalice in reality, merely imagining it).

It would easily fit within the lore without any changes and still satisfy the "Ivalice and Hydaelyn are separate worlds" rule Yoshi has set in the past. Either way, we'll find out soon enough.

Yeah, no... you guys are right. "The Legend," if referring to any one person, is probably Delita, though history probably conflated him with Ramza. If there's any truth to the legend at all. I wouldn't quite say it's just an epic-scale Minstrel reimagining... yet. We do know that Dalmasca exists on Hydaelyn, so I'll be quite surprised if we don't actually go there. (Thought it was in Ilsabard, since the Garleans were said to have conquered Dalmasca before going after Othard... but I digress.)

Sunken City though! I love exploring sunken cities. It just feels like there's so much left behind...

Originally Posted by Rocl

Sarcasm I know, but I think the answer is probably yes. After all, we've been told the Triple Triad cards of the Heroes are based on myth, and we even see it referenced in the Wind-Up X-minions. The ship has sailed, this is what it is now.

If they want to do it that way it's fine, my main point of contention with this is that it's another Garlean legend on the heels of Exdeath. Couldn't it have been, like... an Othardian legend, or something? Since Dalmasca is apparently in Othard?

Ultimately my issue with Ivalice being so heavily referenced (and now practically transplanted in) is that it shows blatant favoritism on the part of the developers. It feels like I'm being forced to play a game I didn't (and still don't) want to in order to enjoy the game I do. Yes, yes, I'm not actually being forced to... I know, but it still feels that way.)

Guess I'll just weather it for now and start a campaign to fight Sephiroth for real, not his mock-up Nael van Darnus. (/sarcasm, kinda.)