Drop Rates of mounts from Extreme primals & Dungeons

[Keridwyn]

You're yelling about there not being enough time after weekly stuff to grind mounts without realizing that for some of us we don't care about the weekly stuff. I don't care if I capped tomes/scrips or did my WT book. Don't care if my challenge log is done. Level other jobs at a lazy pace. But I can, have, and will continue to happily spend my time grinding for EX primal mounts because that is where my priorities lie.

You care more about the gear treadmill, I care about shinies with sweet music.

[Snow_Princess]

You're yelling about there not being enough time after weekly stuff to grind mounts without realizing that for some of us we don't care about the weekly stuff. I don't care if I capped tomes/scrips or did my WT book. Don't care if my challenge log is done. Level other jobs at a lazy pace. But I can, have, and will continue to happily spend my time grinding for EX primal mounts because that is where my priorities lie.

You care more about the gear treadmill, I care about shinies with sweet music.

And if it took less time you would do more of those other things right? Only proves it takes too much time.

I don't understand why you even bother with the game the way you are always complaining about having to play it to complete tasks or obtain items. Every thread is another "It's not fair" argument because you are forced to make choices as to what activities you do each time you log on. Every other player makes those same choices so what makes you so special? Maybe if you spent less time with useless complaining on the forums you might find you have more time to play the game.

I do not understand why you need to insist running something for 99 times is a good thing, it is pointless uncreative time sink that not everyone can do. I am shocked it is in the game to begin with and even more socked people are defending it.

Let's say the 99 token exchange releases with 4.1; roughly a month from now. That amounts to 0.85% of hours invested on Primal farming between 4.0 and 4.1. If you consider it too much, play a different game. There is little else that can be said. It takes less time for me to play through Life if Strange.



Developers do not have infinite resources. No matter what game, genre or how innovative the content proves to be, we consume it far too quickly. You can argue until your blue in the face but it doesn't change the reality old Primals would be complete dead content by now. Want proof? Try queuing for Alexander or Coil tonight. You'll be waiting over an hour, if it ever pops to begin with. Why? No one does them because there is no reward. They don't care. Put a mount in A8N and I guarantee people will start running Brute Justice far more frequently. Calling it laziness only shows you can't appreciate the developers can't make enough content. This isn't unique to FFXIV either, but every single game released. What you're looking for is a hand out-- something you have to put in virtually no effort towards obtaining because you can't be bothered to run something more than once or twice. You are precisely the type of player developers don't cater to. Why? You'll only do everything a couple times, meaning nothing lasts beyond a week. That, in turn, leads to people unsubbing.

You mean you can't picture people "unsubing" over things taking too long so they are unable to really play and enjoy?

Also last I checked queue times for all the primal mounts is long, that is why people make PFs for them, even when WT was new, people did not go back to them though the DF, it had to be PF.

[Vahlnir]

You mean you can't picture people "unsubing" over things taking too long so they are unable to really play and enjoy?

Also last I checked queue times for all the primal mounts is long, that is why people make PFs for them, even when WT was new, people did not go back to them though the DF, it had to be PF.

Doing those fights through PF has always been preferable over randoming 7 strangers together. Always. You're so far out in left field with this topic. Clearly you're being disagreed with, and I'd imagine the devs also disagree considering how they implement content. That isn't them slighting you, or people with your point of view...this is them catering to what the majority wants. You are in the minority. And the majority seem to be doing just fine. What's stopping you from being part of the majority? Gonna have to come up with something beyond "it's not fair because reasons".

[Keridwyn]

And if it took less time you would do more of those other things right? Only proves it takes too much time.

Thanks but no, actually it wouldn't. I genuinely don't care enough about the carrots at the end of the weekly sticks to do the weekly thing. Thus the primal mount grind feels like a rewarding use of my sub. You can disagree, I don't mind we are all different, but don't assume that given more time I would do more things.

[Vidu]

You mean you can't picture people "unsubing" over things taking too long so they are unable to really play and enjoy?

Also last I checked queue times for all the primal mounts is long, that is why people make PFs for them, even when WT was new, people did not go back to them though the DF, it had to be PF.

Sorry to break it to you sweety, but I actually do enjoy those farms. I believe I stated that in my first comment in this thread - just because you dont enjoy that content doesnt mean that no one does.
I dont like fishing - and there is a special quest with a title I'd like to have locked behind some of the most aweful fishes in the game. Fishing isnt hard either btw, just RNG! But some people enjoy that and as far as I'm concerned they can have it! I wont demand that the quest caters to my needs, because I realise that thats content for other people who enjoy other things in the game.

When I got my Zurvan-bird - the last one I needed - after 57 runs, I was actually pretty happy on the one hand. On the other hand I found myself looking at the PF the following days, seeing all those bird-farm-parties, thinking to myself "I'd like to farm a bit more... but for what? There is nothing left for me there..."
I missed farming, because its content I enjoy.

If its not enjoyable to you: Go, do something else. You've got more things to do than time to spend it appears. You dont need to waste your time with content you dont enjoy - but leave it up to the rest of us to make our own choice there, okay?

And for those that do not do them at all like myself because it takes too long, then what? It defeats your stance of "keep people doing things" Why are you trying to debate one extreme with another? I never said get it in 1 run, I said 99 is too many.

Indeed, you actually said you'd prefer it to be 9 runs/tokens.
9. Nine.
One less than the weapons need.
Or do those need to be made cheaper aswell? Should the game just give you a weapon after your first kill? So you'd only need 9 more runs to get your mount, letting you move on from that content in an afternoon?
And why are you ignroing the point of "it keeps the content alive for people who are just reaching it"?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You mean you can't picture people "unsubing" over things taking too long so they are unable to really play and enjoy?

Also last I checked queue times for all the primal mounts is long, that is why people make PFs for them, even when WT was new, people did not go back to them though the DF, it had to be PF.

And yet people don't unsub for not being able to get another mount in one day. All that would do is prompt more threads on the forums complaining how they have nothing to do. You supposedly mentioned nine runs should guarantee the mount. Nine. My weekend runs would take longer. Susano and Lakshmi would be long dead content by now if you could get things that easily.

Yes, because people use PF to better control the parties they want. Someone who has cleared Susano EX multiple times doesn't necessarily want to join with a group who never has. They may want a fast and efficient farm group, thus they use PF to advertise. That's just how NA and EU players operate. JP, on the other hand, uses the Raid Finder for all serious content.

[Wade]

Why is 2018 any different to 2000? Why should games cater to laziness now more than 18 years ago? Why do you deserve more for less now?

[Wade]

FFS I keep seeing this quoted “We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.” but no one quoting it is actually thinking it through. If you have to log in 99 days in a row and play 15 minutes for a mount you are a daily active user - you adhere to that rule! You are quoting something that disagrees with your argument!

[SokiYagami]

For the love of Hydaelyn, 99 times is the freaking maximum number of runs (well I suppose this only hold true if the token exchange is already out or one don't mind waiting), stop making it sound like it's the minimum number of runs required. I've a FC mate who got lucky and got the mount on his first clear. I was there to help out on that run and I got to admit I was salty for rolling a single digit on that run, whatever happened to good karma? T-T

Personally I got a mixed bag of results, I have to turn in 99 tokens thrice but I've also got lucky and got a few mount under 20 clears with the rest in between the two. I can't speak for others, but I'm proud to have my shiny ride after I invested the time and effort into grinding for them, and I wouldn't feel any devaluation in it even if every other players and their parents and grandparents got the same mount too. Does that make me inhuman? Perhaps? I do suppose my character was created with succubus in mind so...

It's interesting to note that even though Remedi and Snow_Princess are on the two different camp with regards to this issue, they've never debate direct with each other. I do suppose both of them will agree to the same thing though:

"Is ninety-nine tokens a good thing?"

"NEIN!!!"

...I'll show myself to the door now. (14 hours broadcast is up now by the way)

[Snow_Princess]

I do not know why you are saying all that without reading my posts/understanding my point. I said, numerous times I took 2-4 hours (I don't remember the exact time but was longer then 2 hours) trying to get nightmare, a 2.0 mount in SB, killing it fist with parties of 5. It never dropped. Not "see it and lost on lot", but never appeared. So how can you say "when this or that will get nerfed you will be able do it"? That is what this thread is for, so they take a look at these drop rate issues and examine them since it does not fit what the development team said to begin with.

Nightmare mount/ HW mounts (i know someone that had to 99 niddy, I went to help a few runs, that person i inhuman to do that, dealing with all the bads and wipes to get 99 clears) and the ala mehigan mount needs adjustments. I have no idea why people think otherwise. With the situation right now, you can't even reasonably farm the ala mehigan mount till 5.0! that is ridiculous. It does take an inhuman amount of time, I did obverse someone doing niddy 99, how you suggest otherwise is beyond me. There is no defense to defend this kind of time sink other then a blind following.

I love to see you duo niddy right now, that story really has no point with what is being talked about.

When you form your own group, there IS no queue times, just a wait for the group to fill. You can reasonably get everything, including that dungeon mount, if you put in the time. If you don't want to, wait till it's easier to farm. Has been done for primal mounts, and in time the only dungeon mount in the game will be much easier. Access to it is not hindered in any way, shape or form. You can either queue for it, or make your own group to farm. The drop rate COULD stand to have a small increase imo, yes. But even if they did...you still have to farm it. And you seem opposed to that idea. In an MMO. So it wouldn't be good enough no matter what they did. All of this could be solved if you would stop lashing out at reasonable suggestions and take matters into your own hands.

Has nothing to do what was said, the argument was the mounts reduce queue time but that is false when no one queues for it!!!

For the love of Hydaelyn, 99 times is the freaking maximum )

and that number is too much, and it is common to see, even yourself said 3 times + some others with 20 runs each, that is too much for a reasonable person.