Appreciation for the competition

[NinjaTaru72]

Yeah, I play both games and enjoy both, but I feel XIV's dev team could learn a few things from WoW. That said, the dev team here seems to care a whole lot more than the WoW team does and seem to be at the very least open to any and all feedback. WoW devs have been mostly passive aggressive since their last expansion, WoD, nearly killed the game. Legion is pretty decent, but it's certainly no Wrath of the Lich King.

I'm glad they don't learn from wow

I don't want that garbage anywhere near my ffxiv. I played ffxi, and ffxiv because they are final fantasy. Amd I like how they are handled. Woe can go burn in a corner for all I care

[Vahlnir]

I'm glad they don't learn from wow

I don't want that garbage anywhere near my ffxiv. I played ffxi, and ffxiv because they are final fantasy. Amd I like how they are handled. Woe can go burn in a corner for all I care

WoW was the father of the modern MMO, aka XIV 2.0 as we know it. It has more in common than you'd think, seeing as XIV 2.0 was a "tribute" to WoW. Just putting that out there. If it wasn't for WoW, XIV as it is now probably wouldn't exist.

[Galgarion]

World of warcraft is the biggest MMO ever. Everything it does is the world's longest victory lap. It'll probably never die. I might still be playing it if they hadn't broken my class.

Oh, well. I like FFXIV better. Not for any particular reason. I just like Eorzea better than Azeroth.

[Lambdafish]

WoW was the father of the modern MMO, aka XIV 2.0 as we know it. It has more in common than you'd think, seeing as XIV 2.0 was a "tribute" to WoW. Just putting that out there. If it wasn't for WoW, XIV, as it is now, probably wouldn't exist.

Technically correct but so wrong on many levels. XIV 2.0 isn't a "tribute" to WoW, nor did it inspire XIV as we know it. When 1.0 failed, Yoshi P gave the developers subscriptions to WoW and other successful tab target MMOs to research what makes them successful, and from that research we got the current iteration of XIV, with tab target combat, and WoWesque dungeons and raids, but I would say XI has been as much of an influence, with specific features such as the job system, hunts, and deep dungeon being heavily inspired by its spiritual predecessor.

At the end of the day, XIV is its own game and it has done many things differently, and even some things better than WoW. You are right in saying that without WoW the current iteration of XIV wouldn't exist, but the same could be said of many MMOs (because that's how market research works), and at this point, XIV is so far along that it has developed its own reputation and its own successes that WoW can learn from.

[Vahlnir]

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In an article from back when 2.0 was released, Yoshi said himself about it being a bit of a tribute, so it did play some part in Yoshi's planning. Not a full blown tribute, mind you, but he definitely got some ideas. WoW also borrowed from other MMOs, but such things got more exposure or were perfected just by being in that game. XI definitely inspired XIV a good bit, that much is plain to see, and I think that was probably the best part. I played XI and enjoyed it to death. And yes, XIV is definitely running on its own success now, with a more caring dev team to boot. XIV is superior now in some areas, while WoW has its things. They could learn from each other, really. I view XIV highly, and definitely play it more than WoW anymore (though I enjoy both games still)...No doubt it's a superior game on way more fronts, but people tend to forget the origins of this game and decide to trash it instead. Or they know and just trash it anyway.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

WoW was the father of the modern MMO, aka XIV 2.0 as we know it. It has more in common than you'd think, seeing as XIV 2.0 was a "tribute" to WoW. Just putting that out there. If it wasn't for WoW, XIV as it is now probably wouldn't exist.

Actually, FFXIV takes a hell of a lot more from XI and SE has come out publicly saying that it's because of the long standing success of XI that XIV was even considered as an MMO. When 1.0 failed, sure they said that they took a step back and looked at "successful" MMOs to learn from them, but I think even then they were influenced more by Guild Wars 2 if anything at all outside of simply updating XI.

Granted, while this conversation feels off-topic somewhat, and I've personally been off the WoW train since the beginning of MoP and dabbled in a LOT of other MMOs until FFXIV came out. I have to say though that I think the real main reason why this game has so much staying power is the strength of it's crafting system and the openness of the development team on stuff about the game. Hell, when Yoshida was giving the NY opening keynote message and started getting bad vibes from the crowds because he couldn't reveal that much I felt pretty bad for him. Not only was the expansion 8 months away from releasing, but things needed to be held back for the next two fan festivals. I've never been so much on the developers side when it comes to MMOs before because I've never had the type of insight into their inner workings like we get to enjoy with Yoshida and his team.

[Vahlnir]

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And I agree that the XI influence is prevalent, and I have no issue with that whatsoever. That's part of the game's success. I went from XI, which I still speak fondly of to WoW. That said, they picked up on a few things from WoW, some of which even WoW borrowed from elsewhere, but perfected in a sense. WoW's not the king anymore, and I'd give that to XIV in a heartbeat. They've got a good thing going, along with probably the best dev team I've seen in a long, long time. They genuinely care. WoW's devs are in perma-passive aggressive mode the last couple years. My whole point is, people will trash WoW just by mentioning it, when they don't get the full picture. And XIV could stand to borrow an idea or 2 more, that's all. MMOs continually borrow from others based on the success of whatever features are being passed around. WoW's not the devil some make it out to be. lol

[Naunet]

I'm glad they don't learn from wow

I don't want that garbage anywhere near my ffxiv.

Yoshi has even explicitly stated that he used WoW as inspiration for designing things in FFXIV. :P Sorry!

Honestly, it kind of amuses me that folk are getting bent out of shape over this guy's tweet - when the forums are FULL of people telling others to gtfo of this game for making suggestions that they feel might improve things.

I also tried to verify that tweet and find it suspicious that I cannot find it. Granted this may be due to my unfamiliarity with Twitter, but I do know that tweets are very easy to fake.

[Walfan]

I'm glad they don't learn from wow

I don't want that garbage anywhere near my ffxiv. I played ffxi, and ffxiv because they are final fantasy. Amd I like how they are handled. Woe can go burn in a corner for all I care

Have you even played WoW ? Or are you being a blind fanboy riding the hate bandwagon ?
WoW has done a lot of wrong but a lot of good as well. Like a far better netcode, a completely customizable interface, actually threw in the effort to fix inventory space instead of always blaming the servers... FFXIV is also really aged in terms of overall "fluidity", like the horrible interface and grating things such as having to manually dismount all the time or the sluggish movement. Coming from WoW, FFXIV always feels like you're slogging through a swamp.

It also has things to do outside of instanced content, Diadem could have actually been interesting from the start if you didn't have to commit to an instance. You know like whole zones or mini-zones with quests and reputations and other random stuff to do, like WoW does. I always have things to do in WoW when I don't want to put in too much effort, don't have too much time or if I'm waiting for a queue, it's a bit more difficult in FFXIV.

It's a true open world and doesn't have invisible walls everywhere, you can actually see and go to everything on the Broken Isles from the top of Highmountain.

I'd argue mythic raiding mechanics are also more elaborate and harder than savage, it just sucks they keep dumbing down classes.

FFXIV is also criminally limiting in terms of fun items to use beyond fireworks. No bombs I can craft, no gliders, no fun transformative items, no robot I can summon to repair and sell my trash to.

Both games need to learn from eachother, especially FFXIV which is still young and fresh and would benefit a lot from it. Unfortunetly I'm afraid they'll never be able to fix the broken infrastructure from 1.0 which is limiting them incredibly.
I've been playing WoW and FFXIV for a LONG time now and I wish I could get that perfect game that takes the good sides of both of them.