Appreciation for the competition

[Vahlnir]

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In an article from back when 2.0 was released, Yoshi said himself about it being a bit of a tribute, so it did play some part in Yoshi's planning. Not a full blown tribute, mind you, but he definitely got some ideas. WoW also borrowed from other MMOs, but such things got more exposure or were perfected just by being in that game. XI definitely inspired XIV a good bit, that much is plain to see, and I think that was probably the best part. I played XI and enjoyed it to death. And yes, XIV is definitely running on its own success now, with a more caring dev team to boot. XIV is superior now in some areas, while WoW has its things. They could learn from each other, really. I view XIV highly, and definitely play it more than WoW anymore (though I enjoy both games still)...No doubt it's a superior game on way more fronts, but people tend to forget the origins of this game and decide to trash it instead. Or they know and just trash it anyway.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

WoW was the father of the modern MMO, aka XIV 2.0 as we know it. It has more in common than you'd think, seeing as XIV 2.0 was a "tribute" to WoW. Just putting that out there. If it wasn't for WoW, XIV as it is now probably wouldn't exist.

Actually, FFXIV takes a hell of a lot more from XI and SE has come out publicly saying that it's because of the long standing success of XI that XIV was even considered as an MMO. When 1.0 failed, sure they said that they took a step back and looked at "successful" MMOs to learn from them, but I think even then they were influenced more by Guild Wars 2 if anything at all outside of simply updating XI.

Granted, while this conversation feels off-topic somewhat, and I've personally been off the WoW train since the beginning of MoP and dabbled in a LOT of other MMOs until FFXIV came out. I have to say though that I think the real main reason why this game has so much staying power is the strength of it's crafting system and the openness of the development team on stuff about the game. Hell, when Yoshida was giving the NY opening keynote message and started getting bad vibes from the crowds because he couldn't reveal that much I felt pretty bad for him. Not only was the expansion 8 months away from releasing, but things needed to be held back for the next two fan festivals. I've never been so much on the developers side when it comes to MMOs before because I've never had the type of insight into their inner workings like we get to enjoy with Yoshida and his team.

[Vahlnir]

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And I agree that the XI influence is prevalent, and I have no issue with that whatsoever. That's part of the game's success. I went from XI, which I still speak fondly of to WoW. That said, they picked up on a few things from WoW, some of which even WoW borrowed from elsewhere, but perfected in a sense. WoW's not the king anymore, and I'd give that to XIV in a heartbeat. They've got a good thing going, along with probably the best dev team I've seen in a long, long time. They genuinely care. WoW's devs are in perma-passive aggressive mode the last couple years. My whole point is, people will trash WoW just by mentioning it, when they don't get the full picture. And XIV could stand to borrow an idea or 2 more, that's all. MMOs continually borrow from others based on the success of whatever features are being passed around. WoW's not the devil some make it out to be. lol

[Naunet]

I'm glad they don't learn from wow

I don't want that garbage anywhere near my ffxiv.

Yoshi has even explicitly stated that he used WoW as inspiration for designing things in FFXIV. :P Sorry!

Honestly, it kind of amuses me that folk are getting bent out of shape over this guy's tweet - when the forums are FULL of people telling others to gtfo of this game for making suggestions that they feel might improve things.

I also tried to verify that tweet and find it suspicious that I cannot find it. Granted this may be due to my unfamiliarity with Twitter, but I do know that tweets are very easy to fake.

[Walfan]

I'm glad they don't learn from wow

I don't want that garbage anywhere near my ffxiv. I played ffxi, and ffxiv because they are final fantasy. Amd I like how they are handled. Woe can go burn in a corner for all I care

Have you even played WoW ? Or are you being a blind fanboy riding the hate bandwagon ?
WoW has done a lot of wrong but a lot of good as well. Like a far better netcode, a completely customizable interface, actually threw in the effort to fix inventory space instead of always blaming the servers... FFXIV is also really aged in terms of overall "fluidity", like the horrible interface and grating things such as having to manually dismount all the time or the sluggish movement. Coming from WoW, FFXIV always feels like you're slogging through a swamp.

It also has things to do outside of instanced content, Diadem could have actually been interesting from the start if you didn't have to commit to an instance. You know like whole zones or mini-zones with quests and reputations and other random stuff to do, like WoW does. I always have things to do in WoW when I don't want to put in too much effort, don't have too much time or if I'm waiting for a queue, it's a bit more difficult in FFXIV.

It's a true open world and doesn't have invisible walls everywhere, you can actually see and go to everything on the Broken Isles from the top of Highmountain.

I'd argue mythic raiding mechanics are also more elaborate and harder than savage, it just sucks they keep dumbing down classes.

FFXIV is also criminally limiting in terms of fun items to use beyond fireworks. No bombs I can craft, no gliders, no fun transformative items, no robot I can summon to repair and sell my trash to.

Both games need to learn from eachother, especially FFXIV which is still young and fresh and would benefit a lot from it. Unfortunetly I'm afraid they'll never be able to fix the broken infrastructure from 1.0 which is limiting them incredibly.
I've been playing WoW and FFXIV for a LONG time now and I wish I could get that perfect game that takes the good sides of both of them.

[Nezerius]

So one guy saying something on their personal Twitter account suddenly represents the entire company? You should know that the employees personal accounts haven't been used for any official stance for a while now. It all goes through the official WoW Twitter account.

Besides, there's things that Blizzard does right. From simple things like being able to mail items to alts, to having a glamour log.

[Lambdafish]

So one guy saying something on their personal Twitter account suddenly represents the entire company? You should know that the employees personal accounts haven't been used for any official stance for a while now. It all goes through the official WoW Twitter account.

People have been fired for less, a developer talking about the game they are working on is representing the company.

[Pondera]

So one guy saying something on their personal Twitter account suddenly represents the entire company? You should know that the employees personal accounts haven't been used for any official stance for a while now. It all goes through the official WoW Twitter account.

Besides, there's things that Blizzard does right. From simple things like being able to mail items to alts, to having a glamour log.

If it was just this isolated incident alone, I would say no, but Blizzard has a long history of disrespecting its fans, disregarding feedback, and parading their ego around. This just fits the pattern. I'm really glad FF14 doesn't do any of that. Naoki Yoshida has more talent and passion for gaming in his pinky that in the entirety of Blizzard.

[Nezerius]

People have been fired for less, a developer talking about the game they are working on is representing the company.

Which is why Blizzard changed the way they handle tweets. It used to be devs using their own twitter accounts to answer questions/announce stuff, but that didn't work out well (since people couldn't differentiate between official tweets, and personal opinions.) After that, Blizzard switched to a single WoW twitter account for all its related news, and stated that the tweets from personal accounts didn't represent the company's stance. For example, Holinka (PvP lead dev) didn't get fired when he posted his own (dumb) opinions every now and then.

If it was just this isolated incident alone, I would say no, but Blizzard has a long history of disrespecting its fans, disregarding feedback, and parading their ego around. This just fits the pattern. I'm really glad FF14 doesn't do any of that. Naoki Yoshida has more talent and passion for gaming in his pinky that in the entirety of Blizzard.

I'm sure some of the XIV PvP playerbase would completely agree with you regarding feedback, especially on the subject of being able to chat in the Feast. /s
Both games have good and bad points, neither game is perfect.

I have yet to see an SE employee use personal or company resources tovexpress these opinions.

Perhaps not in the simple way of "just uninstall the game", but Yoshi-P himself has stated that it's okay for players to take a break to do other things/play other games, once those players feel like they've reached their goals in XIV.

[TaleraRistain]

Besides, there's things that Blizzard does right. From simple things like being able to mail items to alts, to having a glamour log.

This comes with time. WoW launched in 2004. That was 13 years ago. And it didn't start with all those things. FFXIV in its current iteration is only just 4 years old. And already there have been tweaks and improvements the way that WoW and all other MMOs improve themselves. This is still a young game and the developers are still learning.