Why do some healers feel entitled to receiving commendations?

[Altena]

I am a DPS player, however if I am playing a healer, I will be a bit disappointed if I am having to work extremely hard due to an under-geared tank or snail-pace DPS and I don't recieve a comm or two.

The thing about DPS difficulty is it's generally fairly static. Unless a healer just lets you die to unavoidable damage or the tank is flipping the boss/mobs all over the place or losing hate - then the "difficulty" of DPS is mostly fairly static. What I mean by that is it doesn't change from run to run for the most part.
Healer's difficulty comes from other people's performance. If you're in a duty where people are taking excessive damage and your tank is under-geared then it becomes a lot more difficult very quickly.. However if you are in a duty where the tank is well geared and rotating buffs, and the DPS are dodging stuff - then healing is generally a bit of a snooze.

It's not really possible to compare difficulty of the two roles because they are so very different.

So back on topic a bit.. If the run is on the more difficult end of the scale because the rest of your party are making it difficult for you - then yes I get disappointed to put in the extra work to salvage the situation, and don't get a comm.

They are absolutely more important and more difficult to play, and come with more pressure and responsibility. If you think otherwise then I'm afraid you are playing them to a poor standard.

Yeah sorry but no.
Pushing damage is just as important as tanking things and keeping everyone alive.
A bunch of healers and tanks can't clear content without DPS, and vice verser..

As for difficulty, it's very subjective. However I tanked for all of HW & a very large portion of ARR, and I can assure you - tanking in this game is far from difficult.
It's easy to push buttons on a DPS and do "some" damage, however performing your role well is a lot harder than it is to tank.
I can't speak much for healing however I have healed the odd primal here and there and didn't have issues with it. For someone who rarely plays a healer and can clear the odd ex-primal, I would say it's actually not that hard either.

[BillyKaplan]

If tanks and healers aren't doing dps any favors, why is SE trying to lure those roles into dungeons and roulettes? Adventurer In Need for the leveling roulette now gives you a cracked cluster, and is farmable. At the very least, you're going to get a much faster queue if you run healer or tank. Do you know why? Because the dps-to-healer/tank ratio in this game is monstrous. A tank and a healer queueing for any duty or roulette are, in fact, doing the dps a favor.

As for comms, the example you brought makes me laugh, really.

an undergeared tank pulling big

I have no idea what's your healing experience, but yeah, that's totes deserving of a comm. I usually comm the healers if we manage to survive tanks pulling that because it makes the healers' job that much harder. Tanks not using cooldowns would also net the healer my comm, because it means the healers need to make up for the tanks effectively not doing their job properly, in addition to their own role.

[Valinis]

In hard content yeah, in easy content no, healing easy content is not difficult at all because heals are too overpowered in this game.

Healing and DPSing is much more work than being a simple DPS job. If you are only healing in "easy" content then you are a poor healer.

[alimdia]

Healing and DPSing is much more work than being a simple DPS job. If you are only healing in "easy" content then you are a poor healer.

Where did I say that? I'm agreeing healing is hard in savage, but I'm also saying the content over 80% of the playerbase does is not hard to heal and dps, the content where you'd get commendations.

[Aleczan]

I've run into players who made a macro and used the macro asking for commendation. Some of them didn't word it nicely and I felt like they're "demanding" us to commend them, so I purposely commend other person instead, or no commend at all if all of them pissed me off for any reason during the run. :P

Feeling they're entitled to receiving commendation(s) is a wrong mindset regardless of jobs, period.

[Cenerae]

Healing and DPSing is much more work than being a simple DPS job. If you are only healing in "easy" content then you are a poor healer.

That's an irrelevant argument to push in consideration of the topic, since nobody doing the harder content is going to be recieving commendations on account of it being done via a premade group.

Unless there is a large group of players that actually queue for savage trials/savage omega that I am unaware of, of course.

[Valinis]

Where did I say that? I'm agreeing healing is hard in savage, but I'm also saying the content over 80% of the playerbase does is not hard to heal and dps, the content where you'd get commendations.

You argued that healing is not more difficult than DPSing. Being a healer in FFXIV involves healing and DPSing. I'd say doing two jobs is more work than doing one, wouldn't you?

That's an irrelevant argument to push in consideration of the topic, since nobody doing the harder content is going to be recieving commendations on account of it being done via a premade group.

What? It's entirely relevant considering the OP claimed healing and tanking is no different to being a DPS. I have no idea why you are talking about pre-mades in a commendation thread however.

[Cenerae]

What? It's entirely relevant considering the OP claimed healing and tanking is no different to being a DPS. I have no idea why you are talking about pre-mades in a commendation thread however.

And you basically agreed that if you're doing easy content (where one would recieve a commendation) that both tanking and healing are a lot easier to perform in.

Which, as someone who only really does that easy content as a healer, I would agree. I find healing to be far easier to do a good job at than DPS in experts and normal omega, outside of outlier situations where you have terrible groups and actually need to pay attention what I'm doing, instead of just sprinkling big heals in between gravity casts.

[Aleczan]

They are absolutely more important and more difficult to play, and come with more pressure and responsibility. If you think otherwise then I'm afraid you are playing them to a poor standard.

If you mean more short-handed, then yes, you're right.


Healers and Tanks have slightly more pressure and more responsibility in the party, because their errors could spell a disaster and cause a wipe. However, in party situation, it is a matter of team work. We all still need to rely on others to certain degree. If you make a party full of tanks, they may be sturdy and can tank the mobs all day without actually dying, but it will take ages to kill the mobs and finish the fight. If you make a party full of healers, they may be able to tank the mobs (with a lot of struggles) and kill them all without real death issues (or even if people die, there are other healers to raise, yes) but admit it will make the fight both more prolonged and more stressful. DPS people are there for a reason: team work.

So while I do agree with you that healer role and tank role bear heavier responsibility and this is harder to play, I don't think that the reason alone warrants or dictates that those players are entitled to receiving a commendation. Remember that the OP was asking based on specific cases, like people throwing a tantrum when they don't receive commendation.

Of course, after going through a tough run where I had to exert myself to an extreme to save lives and spending a ton of MP raising stupid people who didn't dodge and died, and perhaps healed like a champion and saved the whole party from a wipe, I would appreciate a commendation or many. However, I still don't see I should get mad or complain publicly if I don't get any.

Commendation is what you earn, not what you demand.

[alimdia]

You argued that healing is not more difficult than DPSing. Being a healer in FFXIV involves healing and DPSing. I'd say doing two jobs is more work than doing one, wouldn't you?

Not when dpsing as a healer is pressing 1 button and heals are overpowered in easy content, so no.

If healers had complex or punishing DPS rotations on top of weak heals I'd agree with you, but that's not gonna happen.