Healer DPS or no?

[AlexionSkylark]

NO.

/10char

OK, sorry, haha.
Anyhow, I'll provide an argument to the oher side. No content in this game has healer DPS REQUIRED, and if you DPS, you may lack MP to pull some massive heals/raises if hings go south.

IF your group is skilled, and IF you're pretty certain that only minimal (or no) non-avoidable damage will come out, then go ahead. Else, being conservative about your MP is the better choice.

[Freyyy]

and if you DPS, you may lack MP to pull some massive heals/raises if hings go south.

If DPSing makes you so low on MP then you're doing something wrong. The only thing that can make a healer go OoM is raising people multiple times in a very short time.

[AlexionSkylark]

If DPSing makes you so low on MP then you're doing something wrong. The only thing that can make a healer go OoM is raising people multiple times in a very short time.

But that's exactly my point. If you are conservative about your MP you CAN pull that kind of thing you described. If you're like halved, probably not.
I'm talking about "when things go south", not normal situations.

[Freyyy]

But that's exactly my point. If you are conservative about your MP you CAN pull that kind of thing you described. If you're like halved, probably not.
I'm talking about "when things go south", not normal situations.

But things shouldn't go south, especially in dungeons. And if it does, you won't wipe because the healer used its MP on DPS and couldn't raise everyone, you wipe because everyone else fucked up and died in the first place, so it's non-issue.

[Umbrak]

If DPSing makes you so low on MP then you're doing something wrong. The only thing that can make a healer go OoM is raising people multiple times in a very short time.

Well, you can pretty much go OOM if you (brain afk ) AOE like mad.
But with one eye on your MP you can still do decent damage and heal enough.

If you stop to DPS for some manaregen or pop a manaregen CD, i doubt that anyone will yell at you.

But... isn't this Topic going out of hand in a way?
The threadstarter said it's all said and done?

[Nowakii]

NO.

/10char

OK, sorry, haha.
Anyhow, I'll provide an argument to the oher side. No content in this game has healer DPS REQUIRED, and if you DPS, you may lack MP to pull some massive heals/raises if hings go south.

IF your group is skilled, and IF you're pretty certain that only minimal (or no) non-avoidable damage will come out, then go ahead. Else, being conservative about your MP is the better choice.

you are right, you have to save Mp , but thats what LD is for, if its on CD, my stopping point on dps is when my Mp reaches 15% of its max amount, so if mp on 15% or lower, and LD in CD for more than 10 seconds, i stop dpsing, else i just dps, theres really no reason to sit on max MP the entire fight, if you need to ress multiple times follow the basic rule: if a dps dies twice in arow for not avoiding dmg or due ignoring mechanics, just leave him on the floor, you are doing more dps than him anyway.

[AlexionSkylark]

you are right, you have to save Mp , but thats what LD is for, if its on CD, my stopping point on dps is when my Mp reaches 15% of its max amount, so if mp on 15% or lower, and LD in CD for more than 10 seconds, i stop dpsing, else i just dps, theres really no reason to sit on max MP the entire fight, if you need to ress multiple times follow the basic rule: if a dps dies twice in arow for not avoiding dmg or due ignoring mechanics, just leave him on the floor, you are doing more dps than him anyway.

It's all a matter of how you see your responsibility to the party as a healer.

You can either see yourself as a guardian angel of sorts whose main contribution to the party is to ENLARGE THE MARGIN OF ERROR so you can get a clear with less tries, or as a Half DPS who don't give a single proverbial F to people who fail mechanics and only deems acceptable for everyone to perform flawlessly, only feeling that you need to heal unavoidable damage.

Each of those different healers will have a different answer to "should I be DPSing". And each of those different healers are better suited for different groups. If they match, then it's wonderful. If it doesn't, you AND your group are in for an awful time.

[Cynfael]

It's all a matter of how you see your responsibility to the party as a healer.

You can either see yourself as a guardian angel of sorts whose main contribution to the party is to ENLARGE THE MARGIN OF ERROR so you can get a clear with less tries, or as a Half DPS who don't give a single proverbial F to people who fail mechanics and only deems acceptable for everyone to perform flawlessly, only feeling that you need to heal unavoidable damage.

Each of those different healers will have a different answer to "should I be DPSing". And each of those different healers are better suited for different groups. If they match, then it's wonderful. If it doesn't, you AND your group are in for an awful time.

I generally agree with your point, but I'd mention that dungeons can be healed on fumes; you can AoE your heart out, have virtually no MP and no MP management CDs, and still meet the healing requirements.

The only thing you can't do on empty, as discussed, is perform multiple resurrections, but I suppose that's where the notion of responsibility comes into play. Personally I don't save CDs for ease of raising players because A) I don't anticipate them dying frequently or hopefully at all; B) dungeons are lax enough that I can raise mostly at will; and C) if players die excessively, they can wait on my convenience. I believe in supporting as a healer, but I'm not there exclusively to save other players from their own mistakes, even though I will do so to a reasonable degree.

[Gunnie]

It's all a matter of how you see your responsibility to the party as a healer.

You can either see yourself as a guardian angel of sorts whose main contribution to the party is to ENLARGE THE MARGIN OF ERROR so you can get a clear with less tries, or as a Half DPS who don't give a single proverbial F to people who fail mechanics and only deems acceptable for everyone to perform flawlessly, only feeling that you need to heal unavoidable damage.

Each of those different healers will have a different answer to "should I be DPSing". And each of those different healers are better suited for different groups. If they match, then it's wonderful. If it doesn't, you AND your group are in for an awful time.

Are we playing the same game? Dungeons do not output such an amount of damage that anyone is in 1 shot territory. There is no need for a bigger margin of error. If the tank is doing big pulls and not using cooldowns, you can't DPS because you're spam healing this awful tank. If the tank is pulling big and using cooldowns, You have ample time to DPS. DD who fail at a single AoE not moving out, are far from lethal territory. A quick heal can fix that easy. Should a DD get combo'ed by standing in to many AoE circles/etc, no amount of MP can save that DD.

In short, the situation you discribe is highly unlikely, in general the groups you play with fall in the decent to good catagory.

[AlexionSkylark]

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First, I'm talking about content in general, from roulettes up to Neo Exdeath. And also, why you must worry so much about doing DPS? In the case of that "awful tank" scenario. Why does it matter?
And as for the "in general the groups you play with fall in the decent to good catagory"... well... maybe in roulettes. Only.