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  1. #11
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    Paiyne's Avatar
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    Paiyne Xenix
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    Odin
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    I appreciate everyone's responses!

    To those asking about my DRK/Holy comment I don't know anyone who mains DRK but I've heard several times in DF DRK's complaining about it. Glad to know it doesn't actually cripple you guys fully or anything though.
    Honestly I thought the comment about holy and drk was a joke about their evil edginess disliking holy things and it whiffed over everyone's heads due the salt weighing them down lol
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  2. #12
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    Vespereaux Vaillantes
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    Exodus
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    Paladin Lv 91
    Whether or not a healer should dps depends on the situation. If they have the time and mp, then yes they should throw out dps as opposed to just standing there or over-healing. If for whatever reason they need to focus entirely on healing, then so be it.

    As a DRK main, I have no problem with WHMs going nuts with Holy as long, as I don't need healing and there are more than 3 mobs. I may lose a little bit of resource gain but the stun interrupts are great for lessening damage that I take and making AoEing the pack down easier.

    As far as I'm concerned if I'm not going to drop, then, like a Hawaiian picnic, go ahead and bring the spam.
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  3. #13
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    Pixiline Paradigm
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    Sargatanas
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    Summoner Lv 66
    If you're in a raid environment you should be DPSing, that is just the way it is. If you're not you're doing a big disservice to 7 other people.

    In a dungeon, if I see a healer literally just standing there or just spamming heals on me when I don't need them, my first impulse is to do the entire dungeon out of tank stance to pick up their slack (and make all that overhealing count for soemthing). I usually won't say anything to them about it though because I'm very drama-averse.
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    Moro Murasaki
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    Zalera
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Paiyne View Post
    Honestly I thought the comment about holy and drk was a joke about their evil edginess disliking holy things and it whiffed over everyone's heads due the salt weighing them down lol
    Oh my god I wish I had been that clever.
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  5. #15
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    I enjoy the healer DPS debate as much as anyone, but I think it's best quarantined in the Healer sub-forum lest it destroy the universe.

    That being said, the secret is that there is no debate: you use your GCDs that aren't spent on healing to provide supporting DPS. If you're especially good, you'll heal in such a way that you maximize your DPS windows. No one likes a lazy anything.
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  6. #16
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    ArianeEwah's Avatar
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    Ari Dyones
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    Zodiark
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    Warrior Lv 90
    I may be main tank, yet I also enjoy healer, and I DPS in every dungeon and trial as much as I can.

    Yes, healers should definitly DPS. They even can out-DPS tanks in dungeons, contribute ~50% damage of one DPS job without endangering any team mate's life. Don't let this opportunity gone to waste.

    It annoys me when other healers ain't doing any DPS at all, healing all the time and used TWICE the mana amount than me - only healing when necessary, and overwise DPS-ing. They waste mana, which could have been damage dealt, thus resulting in faster clears.
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  7. #17
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    Yuri Goggles
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    Ultros
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    Botanist Lv 80
    A healer that doesn't DPS when they have the opportunity is lazy and bad, in the same vein that I believe that any tank that just sits in tank stance and spams enmity combo or AoE enmity generation is lazy and bad. Sometimes a healer has to focus on healing during those "oh crap" moments, which is one thing, but if they're standing around doing nothing or just healbotting because they want to watch netflix then they're just being a selfish anchor who wants to be carried through content.
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  8. #18
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    Definitelynot Godbert
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    Behemoth
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    In raids/extremes: It's expected. Since healing can be so planned in high level fights, room for DPS can easily be found... and if there's an enrage timer, DPS from any source helps.

    Anywhere else: It's a bonus. I won't say no to a Holy/Gravity/Bane or three, but I'm not going to lambast dungeon healer #578 for not DPSing either. As long as I don't feel like I'm perpetually near death, I'm satisfied

    If I'm the healer: Run :P
    This 100%. I expect my static healers to dish out damage, but when I come across a random healer in DF, then I could care less.
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    Blue Bird
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    Jenova
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    Warrior Lv 90
    I like doing big pulls, so I don't mind if the healer doesn't DPS. However, if I somehow end up dying and the healer isn't doing more damage than me, I'm freakin' done with them. lol
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    Kha'tan Moapaln
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 67
    If the group isn't dying and you can dps... dps.
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