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[Ftail]

What case would you make for SS as a good healing stat for SCH?

Other than the obvious... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCDT4bNLla8

Imagine a DPS fucks up and needs to be raised during a fight, he raises at a VERY BAD TIME, and an AOE is coming out to kill him again, being able to aldo the DPS before the raid damage takes place saves him from dying again.

That is just one example, I can think of a dozen other examples where higher SS would help out with healing.

[technole]

It is true, SpS can be helpful in a clutch if you are aware of it affecting your GCD impact. Like it could be a slight difference whether it's safe to hard raise or get a timed heal before doing or dodging a mechanic. I've taken advantage of such during Midas Savage, where I would normally feel something is risky, it's just like the extra VIT impact of having "healer privileges". Damage might go off here, but because you have extra VIT you can take this hit while raising/healing to save someone.

Still, SpS on SCH is mostly for the damage impact and having Shadowflare, Miasma, II, and Bio 2 means it'll get good mileage. But the GCD impact can be notable if you have enough to hit such tiers that affect it.

[Rawrz]

Sps doesn't affect embraces potency or recast time. It affects WD's recast time and I'm also unsure if it's boosted (not invested enough to test this detail.)

Although miasma II helps to curb the issue, sch has a very clunky gcd clipping healing and dps lifestyle. The benefits of sps will be further negated.

[Sebazy]

Imagine a DPS fucks up and needs to be raised during a fight, he raises at a VERY BAD TIME, and an AOE is coming out to kill him again, being able to aldo the DPS before the raid damage takes place saves him from dying again.

This is a view that needs to be put to bed imo, it was incorrect during FCOB (When we had little choice but to stack huge quantities of SS) and it's still incorrect now.

Stacking SS will net you a little over 10th of a second off your cast. That video is a very unrealistic demonstration that's just showing what could be achieved with the right combination of buffs almost 4 years ago. I'm not even sure it'd be possible to hit the levels shown in that video anymore tbh.

It's pretty standard fare for a healer to spam stones/broils on the GCD, it's not nearly so common for a healer to spam physics/cures on the GCD.

You're suggesting that a tiny chance of saving someone in a niche situation set of circumstances (Based around a combination of entirely avoidable mistakes) makes SS a contender vs the alternatives which will help you across the board both in efficiency and general play without the need for nuanced situations to justify their worth?

Can I also add that if the timing was indeed so tight that SS would make the difference in you getting that Adlo cast off in time. The server delay would mean that the galv wouldn't have taken effect yet, TLDR: they are still dead. I haven't played much Noct or any SCH since Stormblood, but I assume the bubble delay is still approaching about half a second right? Gonna take a lot of Spell speed to make that up =(

With the boost to dots, SS is a great DPS stat, but lets not pretend it's got fantastic healing value because it doesn't.

[Ftail]

lets not pretend it's got fantastic healing value because it doesn't.

I just gave someone a single example where SS would be beneficial to healing because HE ASKED FOR IT. I'm not here to discuss every single hypothetical situation where SS would be beneficial to healing and I never said SS is a "fantastic healing value".

Sure Crit is better for healing, but to call SS garbage is a gross understatement.

If you want to believe that SS is an absolute garbage stat with no benefits for healing, go ahead I won't try to continue to dissuade you, however I'm done with replying to this thread. In fact, I doubt you even read my reason for using SS in the first place before falsely believing that I think SS is the best secondary stat for healing, which I already stated before isn't the case. Before I leave, I just wanted to let everyone know, I hate all of you.

the more DPS I can pump out for the group, the better I say.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

On any of the healers I tend to favor crit and det over speed because speed doesnt just improve dps or hps, it also increases the speed at which you spend mp, something I'd prefer not to do.

[Dregenfox]

I have spell speed pretty much equal to determination on my SCH. It's an amazing stat for DPS since it starts equal to Det but only gets better from there. Plus about 25% of SCH's dps is DOTS, and a big portion of our healing is from fairy which scales pretty nicely also.

Spell speed shouldn't really affect mana issues - just because you can hardcast 5 succors in under 11 seconds doesn't mean you should, and broil is cheap enough to sustain pretty much forever with good cd usage. The main thing SpS does is to let you go back to machine-gun broiling faster.

Really depends on how much you value oGCD healing vs raw DPS. Since det/sps is 2nd to crit it really won't make or break your SCH regardless of which you prefer.

[Sebazy]

I'm not here to discuss every single hypothetical situation where SS would be beneficial to healing and I never said SS is a "fantastic healing value".

Awh, I was hoping for at least a dozen other examples to take apart =(

If you want to believe that SS is an absolute garbage stat with no benefits for healing, go ahead I won't try to continue to dissuade you

I don't believe it, I know it.

In fact, I doubt you even read my reason for using SS in the first place

Please look above for where I referred to and debunked your reasoning.

Everyone has their taste in melds, and TBH for a healer the gains are rather small now accuracy is out of the window now so in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter particularly if you don't do progression raiding in Savage. I've got a habit of filling the gaps with Piety which is my dirty little habit, I'd be the first to admit that it's not a particularly optimal choice though. Meh.

XOXO <3

[Ftail]

I really shouldn't have looked into the reply from Sebazy in this thread, because this is exactly why I said I wouldn't be responding in my previous post. I get a condescending post laced with sarcasm instead of an apology for taking my message out of context, by putting words in my mouth to prove themselves right in an online debate. This kind of intellectual dishonesty prevents me from continuing to have a rational discussion with you, and now I won't be curious to check what your next inflammatory response will be. Next time you try to debunk someone, please understand server/client latency timing or maybe you can just take my entire message into account, instead of taking me out of context. One more thing, if you are going to use time as conclusive evidence, please also provide math that actually proves what you are saying to be factual.

Have a nice day taking me out of context to win an internet debate.

[Cynfael]

Other than the obvious... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCDT4bNLla8

Imagine a DPS fucks up and needs to be raised during a fight, he raises at a VERY BAD TIME, and an AOE is coming out to kill him again, being able to aldo the DPS before the raid damage takes place saves him from dying again.

That is just one example, I can think of a dozen other examples where higher SS would help out with healing.

I don't want to harp on this too much since my goal isn't to gang up on you, but I would just emphasize how extremely miniscule the casting time and GCD reduction benefit is for how much SpS you need to stack and then call attention again to how virtually every encounter in this game is choreographed to an extremely high degree. Besides, the majority of mistakes are either very survivable or very lethal, and casting ~0.1-0.2 seconds faster is probably not going to make the difference in the latter case (if you do react immediately and have a shot at saving the person who screwed up, you're probably going to choose an oGCD tool if you have one up, anyway).

While it's possible to have an oddball situation where that smidge of added SpS makes a positive impact healing-wise, it's exceedingly unlikely. The primary benefit of SpS, as has been discussed in this thread, is for DoT/HoT effects and for chaining hard casts. I don't have a problem with SpS from a DPS perspective, but I maintain that you could strip SCH down to base SpS and be challenged to notice any difference in how you heal, especially if you're anticipating and not healing purely on reaction.