Confusion: Archer to Bard? Where is the Ranger Job?

[Coglin]

You played MMO where BRD were bow uses at the start of the MMO correct? This is the problem right here, I'm not sure how I can be more clear. You can't change the role a year later to something completely different. Its not about waiting for them to give us the job we want its about continuing on the path that the job has been for a damn year. To me ive always wanted to be a archer/ranger, I was a ranger in FFXI and a archer in FFXIV but now year later I end up a bard? That is what doesn't make sense to me.

To go with your other point about bard being bow users in other MMO those games aren't Final Fantasy and we know what a bard does in a traditional Final Fantasy game which is the direction they said they wanted to head.

Thats just it right there. You make no sense. You are a archer, a ranged DD. They made archer something other then a ranged DD ? how did I miss this. Its not my fault that bard were completely locked out of bows in FFXI, and that they exploped if you touched one.

Stop trying to make this FFXI-II. No one is making you take the job of bard, you appear to continue to fail to understand this.

[Scherwiz]

Thats just it right there. You make no sense. You are a archer, a ranged DD. They made archer something other then a ranged DD ? how did I miss this. Its not my fault that bard were completely locked out of bows in FFXI, and that they exploped if you touched one.

Stop trying to make this FFXI-II. No one is making you take the job of bard, you appear to continue to fail to understand this.

You are 100% right Coglin they do not have to play the job, but I think the argument comes down to this. Only Archer is getting a job that would appear (only because we have no info yet) to be completely different from its base class.

[Skuld]

Only Archer is getting a job that would appear to be completely different from its base class.

This is the point.
For ppl as me who start playing from day1 as archer thinking on a pure DD class, switching to a buffer... well is not what i was expecting when I piked it.
For me its ok to have the option to get the brd, just asking for the option to get a rng also.

[JudgeN]

Thats just it right there. You make no sense. You are a archer, a ranged DD. They made archer something other then a ranged DD ? how did I miss this. Its not my fault that bard were completely locked out of bows in FFXI, and that they exploped if you touched one.

Stop trying to make this FFXI-II. No one is making you take the job of bard, you appear to continue to fail to understand this.

I like how you highlighted one sentence while completely ignoring the rest. Why do you continue the ignore the universe that is Final Fantasy and its traditional jobs role. Also ignore that developers have state they want to follow this tradition. Its why we are getting rid of Gladiator and conjurer because people complained that it didn't fit into the final fantasy universe. And that people for some reason couldn't figure out the roles of the jobs based on their abilities.

This not about making FFXI-II, when the hell did I say that? I just want a job that is traditionally a heavy DD to continue to be a that PERIOD. Sure I can go play another job and I have lancer but it just not that fun to me.


If SE said today that Gladiator specialize job would be beastmaster would that not seem odd to people?

You are 100% right Coglin they do not have to play the job, but I think the argument comes down to this. Only Archer is getting a job that would appear (only because we have no info yet) to be completely different from its base class.

That's it right here, and if we follow traditional FF universe it doesn't look to good for us.

[Coglin]

This not about making FFXI-II, when the hell did I say that?.

You played MMO where BRD were bow uses at the start of the MMO correct? This is the problem right here, I'm not sure how I can be more clear.

To go with your other point about bard being bow users in other MMO those games aren't Final Fantasy and we know what a bard does in a traditional Final Fantasy game which is the direction they said they wanted to head.

When you reject and shun any idea or suggest that is not match FFXI. Then you go on to tell us thats why you shun and reject it.

Care to tell us where they said the bolded portion?

[JudgeN]

When you reject and shun any idea or suggest that is not match FFXI. Then you go on to tell us thats why you shun and reject it.

Care to tell us where they said the bolded portion?

I don't think your understand "Traditional Final Fantasy Universe" has nothing to do with the FFXI but the class system that has been used in Final Fantasy games in the past. For example White mage has always been the job with healing abilities/protect/shell/raise, black mage has always been the job with devastating offensive magic, etc. This has NOTHING to do with FFXI. These names have meaning and thus defined by the games of the past Final fantasy series that used a job system.

The quote is from Lead Battle Planner Akihiko Matsui in May when they announced the jobs. He said unlocking ""Traditional Final Fantasy job". I"m fully aware that other games have brd using bows but to me that doesn't fit tradition. Wouldn't find it out if one of the job in this game was necromancer?

All we really know in regards to Archer is that it's first job will be bard. I don't doubt that this will be expanded on in the future. We should all be happy to see a buffing job put into play, haste for me!

O god not haste, pretty much the great equalizer of spells. I hope they don't bring it back.

[grandm]

I don't think your understand "Traditional Final Fantasy Universe" has nothing to do with the FFXI but the class system that has been used in Final Fantasy games in the past. For example White mage has always been the job with healing abilities/protect/shell/raise, black mage has always been the job with devastating offensive magic, etc. This has NOTHING to do with FFXI. These names have meaning and thus defined by the games of the past Final fantasy series that used a job system.

The quote is from Lead Battle Planner Akihiko Matsui in May when they announced the jobs. He said unlocking ""Traditional Final Fantasy job". I"m fully aware that other games have brd using bows but to me that doesn't fit tradition. Wouldn't find it out if one of the job in this game was necromancer?



O god not haste, pretty much the great equalizer of spells. I hope they don't bring it back.

if you want to talk classic final fantasy the bard in FF4 used his harp for ranged DD aswell as buffs. so for the bard job to be used by a class in FF14 it could only go on the ranged weapon user.

[Coglin]

The quote is from Lead Battle Planner Akihiko Matsui in May when they announced the jobs. He said unlocking ""Traditional Final Fantasy job". I"m fully aware that other games have brd using bows but to me that doesn't fit tradition.

Wait, your saying bard is not a "Traditional Final Fantasy job" ? You making less and less sense each post.

Also, yes I know what was said in may, thats where the quote I made earlier cam from:

Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying

So we have established that you verify they wanted to add tradition jobs in may. You agree that bard is a traditional FF job correct? You agree that the devs said and I quote "Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying"

So they did all of what they said they were gonna do as far as jobs so far. So what the problem ?

[JudgeN]

if you want to talk classic final fantasy the bard in FF4 used his harp for ranged DD aswell as buffs. so for the bard job to be used by a class in FF14 it could only go on the ranged weapon user.

I know what bards use and how they play that's not the issue. The issue is the move from a full on a DD to something that is not a full on DD. I have no problem with the job bard, but a DD job is probably going to be taken away and moved to support with this transition. I don't feel that it is correct move, I think they should add bard as its own separate job and start a specialization of support jobs from it.

[Coglin]

I think they should add bard as its own separate job and start a specialization of support jobs from it.

What class would you propose job stems from?