Confusion: Archer to Bard? Where is the Ranger Job?

[JudgeN]

When you reject and shun any idea or suggest that is not match FFXI. Then you go on to tell us thats why you shun and reject it.

Care to tell us where they said the bolded portion?

I don't think your understand "Traditional Final Fantasy Universe" has nothing to do with the FFXI but the class system that has been used in Final Fantasy games in the past. For example White mage has always been the job with healing abilities/protect/shell/raise, black mage has always been the job with devastating offensive magic, etc. This has NOTHING to do with FFXI. These names have meaning and thus defined by the games of the past Final fantasy series that used a job system.

The quote is from Lead Battle Planner Akihiko Matsui in May when they announced the jobs. He said unlocking ""Traditional Final Fantasy job". I"m fully aware that other games have brd using bows but to me that doesn't fit tradition. Wouldn't find it out if one of the job in this game was necromancer?

All we really know in regards to Archer is that it's first job will be bard. I don't doubt that this will be expanded on in the future. We should all be happy to see a buffing job put into play, haste for me!

O god not haste, pretty much the great equalizer of spells. I hope they don't bring it back.

[grandm]

I don't think your understand "Traditional Final Fantasy Universe" has nothing to do with the FFXI but the class system that has been used in Final Fantasy games in the past. For example White mage has always been the job with healing abilities/protect/shell/raise, black mage has always been the job with devastating offensive magic, etc. This has NOTHING to do with FFXI. These names have meaning and thus defined by the games of the past Final fantasy series that used a job system.

The quote is from Lead Battle Planner Akihiko Matsui in May when they announced the jobs. He said unlocking ""Traditional Final Fantasy job". I"m fully aware that other games have brd using bows but to me that doesn't fit tradition. Wouldn't find it out if one of the job in this game was necromancer?



O god not haste, pretty much the great equalizer of spells. I hope they don't bring it back.

if you want to talk classic final fantasy the bard in FF4 used his harp for ranged DD aswell as buffs. so for the bard job to be used by a class in FF14 it could only go on the ranged weapon user.

[Coglin]

The quote is from Lead Battle Planner Akihiko Matsui in May when they announced the jobs. He said unlocking ""Traditional Final Fantasy job". I"m fully aware that other games have brd using bows but to me that doesn't fit tradition.

Wait, your saying bard is not a "Traditional Final Fantasy job" ? You making less and less sense each post.

Also, yes I know what was said in may, thats where the quote I made earlier cam from:

Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying

So we have established that you verify they wanted to add tradition jobs in may. You agree that bard is a traditional FF job correct? You agree that the devs said and I quote "Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying"

So they did all of what they said they were gonna do as far as jobs so far. So what the problem ?

[JudgeN]

if you want to talk classic final fantasy the bard in FF4 used his harp for ranged DD aswell as buffs. so for the bard job to be used by a class in FF14 it could only go on the ranged weapon user.

I know what bards use and how they play that's not the issue. The issue is the move from a full on a DD to something that is not a full on DD. I have no problem with the job bard, but a DD job is probably going to be taken away and moved to support with this transition. I don't feel that it is correct move, I think they should add bard as its own separate job and start a specialization of support jobs from it.

[Coglin]

I think they should add bard as its own separate job and start a specialization of support jobs from it.

What class would you propose job stems from?

[grandm]

I know what bards use and how they play that's not the issue. The issue is the move from a full on a DD to something that is not a full on DD. I have no problem with the job bard, but a DD job is probably going to be taken away and moved to support with this transition. I don't feel that it is correct move, I think they should add bard as its own separate job and start a specialization of support jobs from it.

you agree that we need a support class/job?
you agree that a bard using a ranged weapon makes sense?
i wonder if you agree there is too many DD's in the game. i'm guessing they feel they need a support class/job urgently and its something that can't wait. for the new jobs already they have to create new quests, gear, lore, abilitie's(probally). this would take time and a job is not as big as a class, to create a new class would take a lot more work than to create a job. so if they need a support class/job quick the best time for it to come in is with the jobs. if they have to many DDs one DD was going to lose out. bard is ranged archer is ranged. and thus we have this. strange i expected this rukus over the mages getting black and white more than the bard

[JudgeN]

What class would you propose job stems from?

If you really want to know, CNJ would have never had nukes those would have went to THM from the get go to start out. Then it would have followed this.

GLD=PLD
MRD=WAR
CNJ=WHM & BRD
THM= BLM & DRK
ARC = RNG
PUG = MNK

you agree that we need a support class/job?
you agree that a bard using a ranged weapon makes sense?
i wonder if you agree there is too many DD's in the game. i'm guessing they feel they need a support class/job urgently and its something that can't wait. for the new jobs already they have to create new quests, gear, lore, abilitie's(probally). this would take time and a job is not as big as a class, to create a new class would take a lot more work than to create a job. so if they need a support class/job quick the best time for it to come in is with the jobs. if they have to many DDs one DD was going to lose out. bard is ranged archer is ranged. and thus we have this. strange i expected this rukus over the mages getting black and white more than the bard

Lets not put words in my mouth, the game has a support class. Its THM with the recent nerfs to put CNJ in front runner on healing.

Bards do use a range weapon no argument there.

Do I feel like we have to many DD? Not at all.

I just don't feel like everything is black and white, and I know there are people out there that like the role of a range heavy DD without having to do buffs.

[grandm]

If you really want to know, CNJ would have never had nukes those would have went to THM from the get go to start out. Then it would have followed this.

GLD=PLD
MRD=WAR
CNJ=WHM & BRD
THM= BLM & DRK
ARC = RNG
PUG = MNK




Lets not put words in my mouth, the game has a support class. Its THM with the recent nerfs to put CNJ in front runner on healing.

Bards do use a range weapon no argument there.

Do I feel like we have to many DD? Not at all.

I just don't feel like everything is black and white, and I know there are people out there that like the role of a range heavy DD without having to do buffs.

bards do use ranged weapons in FF they use harps that fire notes

as for your idea of gving DoM two jobs. i bet this was looked into. and then decided it would be unfair to give any class two jobs when all other only get one. best to piss off one group of ppl, archers. than all the DoW class

[Imagene]

Actually, say for example they fix archer to be 80% the DD of a lancer/dragoon (right now it's pretty much about 50%); but when you advance your job to bard, your buffs raise your DD efficiency 20%. so technically, your solo capability is the same as a lancer/dragoon. (80% + 20%)

in a party however, your buffs reaches everyone, so lancer/drgs will be doing 120% so its still better to bring a bard than not.

[Coglin]

bards do use ranged weapons in FF they use harps that fire notes

as for your idea of gving DoM two jobs. i bet this was looked into. and then decided it would be unfair to give any class two jobs when all other only get one. best to piss off one group of ppl, archers. than all the DoW class

See this ^^ makes sense, has logic, and applies to the rules of how this will work, set by the devs.

If you really want to know, CNJ would have never had nukes those would have went to THM from the get go to start out. Then it would have followed this.

GLD=PLD
MRD=WAR
CNJ=WHM & BRD
THM= BLM & DRK
ARC = RNG
PUG = MNK




Lets not put words in my mouth, the game has a support class. Its THM with the recent nerfs to put CNJ in front runner on healing.

Bards do use a range weapon no argument there.

Do I feel like we have to many DD? Not at all.

I just don't feel like everything is black and white, and I know there are people out there that like the role of a range heavy DD without having to do buffs. (good lord this is getting old telling you this but they have these, they are called BLM and ARC)

This ^^ is pretend fantansy that changes the rules to fit there needs. One job per class for the first round. It not that complicated.

Archers job in the first round of jobs will be Bard. Its rather comical how you post so much fiction with so much intent as if in some warped way you expect to magically and unrealistically change the facts.