As a new player that really likes this game ...

[akaneakki]

I feel the opposite. FFXIV SMN is the most summoner-like incarnation we've had since X.

I'm just going to sit back and asume, but gonna take a guess you never played FF11? FF12 wasn't so bad either, never a was a huge fan of the summon's in FF13 tbh, but I know some people might have liked it.
Anyways, SMN in 14 is dot machine and a nugget like Jybril said, you don't have an actuall Primal with you. FF9 was amazing when it comes to summon story and lore wise as well, I think it was better than FFX, even tho I did and still love FF10!
SMN feels far away from being a SMN in this game. The fact I also hated how the class system turns into job system and we all see how that turned out, they screwed it up. I'm not saying I hate FF14, I still play and like it, but there is so much less Final Fantasy in this game than previous ones.

Apparently you never played FFXI, Summoner was awesome. WoW was released 2 years AFTER FFXI. So who was copying whom? Personally I don't see much comparison between warlock and smn, but if there is, well ffxi did it first.

Again if people like wow so much and keep going on and on about how much better it is, why are they here?

I can't believe what you just said. You just made up some weird shit. FFXI summon was NOTHING like WoW or FF14 SMN. How can you go from FFXI actuall summons and interaction with the summon itself to a turd nugget doing shit on it's own? FFXIV came out after WoW by many years and we all know, that. I just had to type in the obvious since you don't get what I said.

FFXI came out before WoW yes, however, the summon system there was very very Final Fantasy summon compare to what we currently have in FF14. So yes FF14 did copy warlock's from WoW.

So you are basically admitting how your post makes no sense?
FFXI SMN is nothing like FFXIV or wow
FFXIV SMN = wow clone, so much so they gave it spells typically that is BLM to it.

Pretty much yeah.

[Zarabeth]

I can't believe what you just said. You just made up some weird shit. FFXI summon was NOTHING like WoW or FF14 SMN. How can you go from FFXI actuall summons and interaction with the summon itself to a turd nugget doing shit on it's own? FFXIV came out after WoW by many years and we all know, that. I just had to type in the obvious since you don't get what I said.

I quoted what you said "Originally Posted by akaneakki"
It's not a full wow clone, no. However they did copy a lot from them. Smn for example doesnt feel very final fantasy, it's more like wow warlock. Cba to type the rest on phone.
You were the one who brought smn into this not me. Also you didn't read the full post (as i had to edit for space) Sooooooooooo..... try that.

[akaneakki]

I quoted what you said "Originally Posted by akaneakki"
It's not a full wow clone, no. However they did copy a lot from them. Smn for example doesnt feel very final fantasy, it's more like wow warlock. Cba to type the rest on phone.
You were the one who brought smn into this not me. Also you didn't read the full post (as i had to edit for space) Sooooooooooo..... try that.

/sigh...

Apparently you never played FFXI, Summoner was awesome. WoW was released 2 years AFTER FFXI. So who was copying whom? Personally I don't see much comparison between warlock and smn, but if there is, well ffxi did it first.

Read what you said, then you read what I said again. FFXI SMN IS NOT LIKE WARLOCK OR FF14 ONE!!!!
Is that hard to get? If warlock and smn from FF11 is the same, please point out the very very similar things. I can list you the ones warlock and FF14 has:
Dot class and a pet, that's it. In FFXI you actually used your summon and his/her spells/abilities, unlike in FF14 your main dps is the dots. You are just saying some weird things, like the part where you said FF11 smn and warlock copied that, if warlock copied FF11 smn it wouldn't been a dot class in the first place, would it? lol

Again obviously you don't like this game, why are you here? I'm here because I love the game and I'm just sick of people putting it down on the forums.

Seriously what's up with this attitude? He doesn't like the game because he's trying to point out something? lol. You still don't get it, FF11 smn is not like warlock and vise versa. FF14 smn is like warlock, case close, you still won't get it and I won't care. Because it seems like when you don't get things you gonna say some bs about people not liking the game etc.

Again obviously you don't like this game, why are you here? I'm here because I love the game and I'm just sick of people putting it down on the forums.

Nice try m8.

[basketofseals]

I'm just going to sit back and asume, but gonna take a guess you never played FF11? FF12 wasn't so bad either, never a was a huge fan of the summon's in FF13 tbh, but I know some people might have liked it.
Anyways, SMN in 14 is dot machine and a nugget like Jybril said, you don't have an actuall Primal with you. FF9 was amazing when it comes to summon story and lore wise as well, I think it was better than FFX, even tho I did and still love FF10!
SMN feels far away from being a SMN in this game. The fact I also hated how the class system turns into job system and we all see how that turned out, they screwed it up. I'm not saying I hate FF14, I still play and like it, but there is so much less Final Fantasy in this game than previous ones..

I only really saw when it was a garbage healing job which became summoner for a single ability about once every three minutes, but I'm going to assume that it changed drastically since release.

DoTs are hardly thecore of SMN right now. It's certainly a part of it, but the big deal is summoning Bahamut. Summons may have previously had a story in pre-X games, but when it came to gameplay they boiled down to a spell with an overly long animation. Obviously this is incredibly subjective, but this is the first time in a long while where it actually feels like summoning. Egis are lame and they could be axed for all I care, but Bahamut really fits the job fantasy for me.

Also saying that Egis are anywhere near WoW demons is just wrong. Egis are DoTs that are tied to a model. Lock pets actually have niches and differing uses depending on spec, encounter, and playstyle.