SCH adlo and succor

[Dregenfox]

I'm not taking anything into account other than what was provided in your example, which was heavily bias towards SCH. Assize is outlined in your example and the MP return of it should be taken into consideration because of it, whereas Aetherflow could have been used prior to the fight and could result in 0 MP return as a result; we don't know because it's not mentioned in the example at all.

Assize and Aetherflow need to be kept on CD for the EXACT same reason (you lose MP if you don't) so this is a strawman argument.

Please don't insult my intelligence.

Still seems like you're not getting it...Indom for SCH requires a stack of Aetherflow, which can only be gained by using the skill Aetherflow (only exception is dissipation). The 10% mana part is tacked onto both classes and is required to use either Assize or Indom. Exactly when that mana gain happens doesn't really matter.

The SCH loses nothing by keeping AF on cooldown because he can E-drain any remaining stacks and be back at 3 stacks again with no impact on indom usage. For a WHM to come close to matching that they need 3x lilies and need to use Assize the moment it comes off CD, which may not be the moment your party needs the aoe healing.

This is why it doesn't make sense to factor in the mana gain. It's completely arbitrary and can be discussed in favor of this or that situation forever.