Again the regen thing! Wasn't it gone and done?

[MisterLucie]

If I were your tank I'd see that regen and click it off before I reached the second pack, because everything I can't get with my first gcd will come and eat you if I do not, disrupting the pull and screwing up clustering for dps aoe.

If I were playing healer, I'd instead use direct heals to keep the tank going until it was holyspam time, as they generate next to no threat compared to a regen.

What direct heals are you using on the run between packs, exactly? The only instant heal a WHM has (outside of Benediction) is Tetra which has a minute long CD.

[Mirateski]

What direct heals are you using on the run between packs, exactly? The only instant heal a WHM has (outside of Benediction) is Tetra which has a minute long CD.

You have plenty of time to pause, hardcast a cure/cure2, and keep up with the tank. I've successfully hardcast cure2 twice on the first pull in ala mhigo without losing the tank. This is assuming you're both either a) sprinting or b) not sprinting, it's much much easier if only the healer is sprinting.

Prepull regens drive me up the wall. Yes, I can deal with the wonky wibbly aggro but I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. Just like I can deal with a SAM's huge epeen aggro because they didn't use diversion but I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. If I'm pulling enough that I'll be nearly dead by the end, you bet your ass I'm planning to use hallowed ground just after I stop. If I'm not, there's no point using a regen anyway. If a tank uses cooldowns properly and pulls respective of their gear level, there is never any need to pregen. Ever. (Save for maybe in savage but then it's one mob I'm shield lobbing so it DOESNT EVEN MATTER)

Sounds like the people defending the bad healers here are the ones who need to git gud and stop trying to feel smug and superior when someone complains about a legitimately bad tactic in large dungeon pulls.

EDIT to add: and if there's less than a minute between packs that you can't use tetra during pull if that's your heal of choice, holy shit, I wanna buy your dps?

[MisterLucie]

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A) I didn't say anything about using regen before pulls. I was responding to someone talking about using regen after the first pack is pulled to keep the tank healthy as they're dragging mobs along. Doing so allows you to instantly swiftcast holy, aero 3, assize, holy, holy without having to waste time and dps casting unneeded cure 2s to frantically get your tank topped back off once they stop.

B) I routinely run my dungeons with a tank who pulls 3+ groups at a time and maybe once in a blue moon will I ever get even a split second of aggro (which also immediately gets snatched back to the tank) when throwing up a regen halfway through the pull. Maybe you do actually need to git gud if you're having that much trouble? We've been doing these same dungeons for months now, you should know when you're going to need to aoe aggro and where you're going to need to be positioned to hit everything with it. A single regen tick shouldn't be messing anyone up at this point.

[Mirateski]

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I was saying I was casting cure(2) DURING the pull, not as it finishes. As soon as a tank stops I sc>holy>PoM>holyx3>assize etc. Who wants to cast heals after a pull is gathered? lmao.

I both tank and heal those dungeons and I never either need pregens nor use them. And I routinely do the daft pulls if I'm with at least one person that I know will do them properly, be that keeping me alive, holding the aggro, or bringing the mad deeps.

If a tank is at 50% hp by the time they're done pulling two packs, they either need better gear or the mobs got some very lucky DHs in. Use awareness or rampart while pulling, pop a big one when you stop, if you're gonna be taking hits.

And I frequently request that healers don't pregen me if they do, and tell them that when I use CoS that's my "I'm stopping here" cue. I mention it to anyone with bubbles to place, too. Talk. It's not hard!

I wasn't angry, btw. Just explaining my viewpoint.

EDIT: lmfao people are insulting the op and telling them to "git gud" constantly and I throw it back at them and suddenly I'm an evil salt mine of hate and anger? Please.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

Sounds like the people defending the bad healers here are the ones who need to git gud and stop trying to feel smug and superior when someone complains about a legitimately bad tactic in large dungeon pulls

I see one guy that feels superior yet shouldn't... Everyone can use hallowed after a big pull, everyone can do a power pull and use his CDs properly in a dungeon speed run... At least, anyone who care... What defines a good dungeon-tank is his ability to adjust, and not be a prick doing it, I'd add...

Now please, try again with less hate in your mouth, and more thinking in your head...

[Hen-Hen]

What direct heals are you using on the run between packs, exactly? The only instant heal a WHM has (outside of Benediction) is Tetra which has a minute long CD.

I'm using cure 2/benefic 2 if I don't have an instant up but usually I do, whm also has benison at 70. So long as my tank isn't undergeared (which in a pug environment it might be and if they were they wouldn't be big pulling) that would be enough. You need to make sure you're keeping up, and aware of mobs threat ranges so you can sometimes push ahead enough to keep in range while casting a cure. There are lots of tools available to make this work.