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    They're trying to move SCH away from being a mitigation healer to being a healer more focused on OGCD and fairy usage, that's why the MP cost of their GCD heals are so high. When considering the net worth of things like excogitation and fey union to not only your dps but your co-healer's dps it's pretty understandable why adlo and succor are so expensive; there are plenty of occasions where a well placed union or ex has saved my co 3-4 healing GCDs which directly translated into 3-4 stone IVs. That being said I don't really see an issue with MP management while having to push out more shields and rezzes, if anything the only way I'll see myself dry is if I abuse miasma II one too many times for weaving.
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    Except that playstyle wasn't pushed forward until 4.06 and Miasma 2 (wich was added in response to SCH losing too much AoE DPS in dungeon), and the players are the one who did that.

    The most plausible reason behing new MP management is lucid dream addition in SCH's kit. There is no other to both up shields MP cost and lower eatherflow MP gain at the same time otherwise.
    The new trait is here because a lot of healer players voiced against RNG based traits that makes some skill impossible to plan ahead, all helaers were modified that way (maybe except AST ? I'm not sure, its 68 trait serves no purpose anyway).
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    Quote Originally Posted by CreinCrein View Post
    They're trying to move SCH away from being a mitigation healer to being a healer more focused on OGCD and fairy usage, that's why the MP cost of their GCD heals are so high.
    I am under the impression that ogcd heals are panic buttons or cds given the fact that the aetherflow mechanic has limited charges. As for fairy usage, yea maybe in an ideal world where Embrace isn't laughably weak and fairies cast commands when told to and not after they finish whatever they're doing. If SE want schs to be more of a raw healer then Physick needs a serious buff, and Emergency Tactics needs to be activated instantly instead of .5 seconds after you activate it (it has a delay quite like dot application, which is very noticeable when you wait to use Bane).

    Quote Originally Posted by CreinCrein View Post
    When considering the net worth of things like excogitation and fey union to not only your dps but your co-healer's dps it's pretty understandable why adlo and succor are so expensive
    Aldo and Succor are standard healing spells, Excogitation and Fey Union are cds...and they're cds with very specific uses. They're not like Whispering Dawn which is useful in basically any situation with damage. Never mind the amount of ramp up time Fey Union has because you need to charge it. Unless you are fortunate enough to have a lot of trash before a boss you won't have Fey Union on the pull. They do not make up for the obscene mana costs of Aldo and Succor.

    Quote Originally Posted by CreinCrein View Post
    That being said I don't really see an issue with MP management while having to push out more shields and rezzes, if anything the only way I'll see myself dry is if I abuse miasma II one too many times for weaving.
    Play whm and ast at the same lvl and you'll truly understand how abysmal sch mana efficiency is right now. As sch, if I want to do a respectable amount of dps along with healing my mana goes down quickly. Doing the same as whm...oh god I hover between feeling liberated from having so much mana to play with and being utterly disgusted because my sch needs to be handled so carefully to not go completely dry. Ast has very noticeably better mana efficiency than sch, but the gap isn't as big as it is with whm.
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    Last edited by Penthea; 08-19-2017 at 09:13 AM. Reason: mispelled fey >.>

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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    @CreinCrein Play whm and ast at the same lvl and you'll truly understand how abysmal sch mana efficiency is right now.
    Psst, I suspect Crein has a significantly better understanding of SCH than you do sir =(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    Psst, I suspect Crein has a significantly better understanding of SCH than you do sir =(
    Or maybe I'm better at whm than at sch :P
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