Where are all the healers?

[Elamys]

Ooooh...you're one of those healers that think that healing is so hard and everyone else has it easy and everything rests on the healers' shoulders? Try playing some dps, maybe I'll see you complaining in the dps section because you were kicked for low dps.

Lastelli, there is an easy answer here you're not seeing:

Different things are difficult for different people.

[Seoulstar]

Probably because there are healers being pushed away due to the fact they can't enjoy the class without being yelled at by someone.

[Anko1400]

Probably because there are healers being pushed away due to the fact they can't enjoy the class without being yelled at by someone.

Basically this.

[Vyriah]

:angryrumbling.txt:

That's what I did today, on O3S.
I was remplacing another DPS and played the RDM I finished leveling the day before. And it was pretty simple, I just learned this fight back and forth as both main and off-healer with two different job (saw enrage at 1% as AST and killed it with SCH). It was certainly a mediocre performance, but not any of the DPS check were a problem.

I can't wait to see you write "but RDM is for n00bs i'm still angry", I have better result with SCH wich is certainly a harder job to tame. I'm eager to hear about your performance as a healer on ExDeath, because O3S must already be to simple for you.

Forgot to say : O3S as DPS is breeze compared to what it is as healer.
Do it as a SCH with just something arround 35% perf and come back to talk.

To bad absolutly everyone seem to miss my point, FF14 have glorious days of braindead stupid bosses in front of it.

[Ghishlain]

I'm not sure an MMO is the best place for such a delicate little flower to try and thrive in. (Not aiming this at you btw! You make some good points <3)

Being able to process, understand and handle both positive and negative criticism is a very important skill in life. One that's more often than not lacking in today's coddled society.

Indeed. With that being said, my comments towards the healer-DPS discussion was intended to note how hostile the discussion can become and at the same time how off-putting it can be. Thick skin is important as a personal life skill but even those with thick skin would tire of the ongoing and disrespectful commentary when this subject is brought up. Not all of it, but some of the more direct and ignorant comments is pretty eye-rolly.

Not likely, you make decent points and unlike some, you've got the experience and knowledge to back it up. I've got no qualms with what you're saying.

At the end of the day, 'healers don't really need to dps, but it's nice when they do' and 'healers should be contributing as much as they can, when the situation allows it' are pretty much different ends of the same answer.

It's only really the 'Healers shouldn't ever need to DPS' or 'Full healer DPS or kick' for Titan story mode that I take offence to, both of those extremes are as blind and incorrect as each other.

I agree with this. It's a shame the last sentence in this post seems to be the most prevalent train of thought from some outspoken individuals.


Thank you for the kind comments too~

[HoodRat]

Even more are just done with the 'healers are lazy and not doing their jobs if they aren't DPSing 100% of the time' BS threads that get posted. You want us to DPS 100% of the time? Fine. Might as well level one of the two new shiny DPS classes then.

Is it bad that the only people I ever see say this are anti healer dps players who claim that pro healer dps players say it?

[Alisi]

Is it bad that the only people I ever see say this are anti healer dps players who claim that pro healer dps players say it?

There are tons of healers in this very thread that have said healers who don't dps in every available moment they aren't healing are lazy. If you mean to say that no one says this in person, while in a group or raid, then I hate to break it to you, but I've seen the accusation being flung out many-a times -- both from co-healers and the DPS.

And don't simply assume that because I said this, I'm against healers doing DPS. I DPS when I can. Let me be frank with you, from the perspective of someone who's only been in the lvl 70 expert dungeons as a healer: I don't have time to dps during trash pulls. I don't give two shits how good you think you are. I've only had one single tank between now and when I first turned 70 that felt I could DPS on the trash pulls. I typically run through a full aether stack or two during each pull. I don't care if you feel it's lazy that I'm not DPSing every available moment. My job is to keep the party alive and that's what I'm doing.

[HoodRat]

I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

healers are lazy and not doing their jobs if they aren't DPSing 100% of the time

There are tons of healers in this very thread that have said healers who don't dps in every available moment they aren't healing are lazy.

These don't mean the same thing, so which is it? Are people saying that healers are lazy if they don't heal 100% of the time (spending every gcd on dps and only using ogcds to heal) or are people saying that healers are lazy if they're not dpsing when they're not healing (when they're not doing anything else)?

I DPS when I can.

I don't care if you feel it's lazy that I'm not DPSing every available moment.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make in your second paragraph either...especially when you contradict yourself like this.

My job is to keep the party alive...

I don't know why people keep saying this, no one is arguing against this! Even the people saying healers should dps are saying their first priority is to heal.

[Tridus]

O2S and O4S are the main offenders, the way they make thing hard for healers by asking for movement between huge heal burst is lame as that "don't look or you die lol" kind of moment. It brings nothing to the fight outside adding layers and layers of thing to do at the same time until you trip to your death because you're doing too much at the same time. It does kill people, but not any really interesting ways.

It's not at all, and not in a good way. It's pointless, artificially hard. It's not engaging, it's not interesting, it's not amusing. It's just big healz over big hurtz and get down with it. The only way to have fun with this is to either play DPS or be a masochist. I hope it can only get better since almagest seems to be the event horizon of raid damage (wich means, a raid damage that hit so hard a part of it had to be differed as a DoT for it to be even manageable).

That's how I feel about Susano EX, which I *still* haven't gotten into a group that can clear. At some point it stopped being fun and started being work. Its like someone designs these fights by going "lets take nine gimmicks and throw them all together, then at some point have three of them go off at the same time." Inevitably someone messes it up, dies, and then I wind up seeing the enrage. Yay. Supposedly its super easy, but those people must be playing with very different PF groups than I have access to or something.

So the goal is keep everyone alive while they're being hit by all this stuff that takes off 80% of their health (at least), which is okay since two heals bring everyone back to full anyway... oh and put out enough DPS to make up for that at the same time while avoiding the pile of stuff that's going on. I mean, at least playing a DPS class I can just do DPS and keep myself alive instead of doing DPS, keeping myself alive, *and* keeping everyone else alive too.

It feels like that stretch in WoW's history where healing was too powerful relative to player health, so they had to make every effect lethal (or nearly so) in order to give healers something to do. WoW responded to that by dramatically boosting health pools so that people couldn't go from 100% to 1% to 100% in four seconds, and I tend to think XIV needs to go the same way to open up more fight options besides "burst heal, now go play a less interesting DPS class until the next round of burst healing".

(And yes, that makes me a bad. Based on my experience in "clear parties", there's quite a lot of us floating around.)

[Taika]

There are tons of healers in this very thread that have said healers who don't dps in every available moment they aren't healing are lazy.

Can you show me some of the tons of posts that say healers who don't DPS in every available moment they aren't healing are lazy?

In general, people seem to think that categorically refusing to do DPS while you have nothing to do is lazy, and I agree with that sentiment, but I don't think anyone has said you need to spend every single GCD on effective healing/DPSing or you're lazy. I myself have said that healers should aim for being active and effective as much as possible, but for me trying to be active and effective is very much enough to not be considered lazy.