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    Player ManuelBravo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jigokunoreizasan View Post
    Most of the outrage is more along the lines of having newer players jumping into pvp AND not being able to teach them right from wrong, If you're not being told you're doing something bad you'll eventually think it's the right thing to do and continue doing it.

    To the comment about refusing to participate, I'm sure most would be incredibly bored if not for pvp. There's still only 2 trials that are easier than some of the ones in HW and by now most people have this raid tier on farm now.
    Newer players key words. Lets break that up, can you force anyone to read an instruction manual? Can you force anyone to look up information? It's all based on their actions. What you can do , IF an FC is productive is teach or mentor. People want to help, yet no one is willing to ask outside of PvP battles. It's all based on their decision and actions which of course people are afraid to do.If they pay their fee they are welcome to play any way they want. I have teamed up with people after battle from same server and we discuss the information if I see them struggling, if I see them at least trying I take my time and give them a few tips. IF I see they have potential. Sometimes I get tells asking me for help. Once again is all based on the choices we make and the actions we take. Can't help it if common sense is dead.
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    Last edited by ManuelBravo; 08-17-2017 at 03:27 AM. Reason: Character limit

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
    Newer players key words. Lets break that up, can you force anyone to read an instruction manual? Can you force anyone to look up information? It's all based on their actions. What you can do , IF an FC is productive is teach or mentor. People want to help, yet no one is willing to ask outside of PvP battles. It's all based on their decision and actions which of course people are afraid to do.If they pay their fee they are welcome to play any way they want.
    That's absurd, they're welcome to play TRAINING anyway they want. RANKED is for WINNING, not BABYSITTING THE GUY WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO PVP LOOKING TO GET CARRIED.

    Chance of me finding someone on my server that needs help with pvp are slim, I'm not going to make an alt on a different server just to tell information I could have said in game.
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    Last edited by Jigokunoreizasan; 08-17-2017 at 03:33 AM.

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    Player ManuelBravo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jigokunoreizasan View Post
    That's absurd, they're welcome to play TRAINING anyway they want. RANKED is for WINNING, not BABYSITTING THE GUY WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO PVP LOOKING TO GET CARRIED.

    Chance of me finding someone on my server that needs help with pvp are slim, I'm not going to make an alt on a different server just to tell information I could have said in game.
    Worry about your self and the choices you make. IF using Discord makes you feel better do so. If people don't use it you can't force them. Sorry we are all on the same boat and you have to understand everyone has a different opinion on how the game should be played. Every one has their own perspectives on what is happening yet few are competent enough to notice their faults. It's human nature so go with flow on what YOU can do, and stop trying to focus on things that you have no control over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
    Worry about your self and the choices you make. IF using Discord makes you feel better do so. If people don't use it you can't force them. Sorry we are all on the same boat and you have to understand everyone has a different opinion on how the game should be played. Every one has their own perspectives on what is happening yet few are competent enough to notice their faults. It's human nature so go with flow on what YOU can do, and stop trying to focus on things that you have no control over.
    "Worry about yourself" Am I mistaken or is PvP a teambased game? How can I worry about myself when I want to win? If I didn't want to win then I'd only worry about myself.
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    Player ManuelBravo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jigokunoreizasan View Post
    "Worry about yourself" Am I mistaken or is PvP a teambased game? How can I worry about myself when I want to win? If I didn't want to win then I'd only worry about myself.
    /sigh By worry about yourself I mean use the tools that work for you. Worry about what you can do to make the team work. Once again what can you do as an individual to turn the tide, to become a leader if no one else is willing to..Your going to get bad apples, sprouts will come, how you adjust is up to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
    /sigh By worry about yourself I mean use the tools that work for you. Worry about what you can do to make the team work. Once again what can you do as an individual to turn the tide, to become a leader if no one else is willing to..Your going to get bad apples, sprouts will come, how you adjust is up to you.
    There's only so much one person can do, this is a teambased game as I say again... the ONLY role you can carry on is healer (and even then you're hoping your dps can actually kill something and not split dps)
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