RDM's Vercure should be removed or heavily nerfed

[Darian]

FFLogs doesn't give the class the RDPS it brings in the final tally.

Red Mage is generally brought in PDPS groups with Monk/Samurai, Ninja, and Bard/Mach.

So you have to add approximately 1% of the same percentile from Two of: War, Dark, Paladin (little less) and from Monk Or Sam, Ninja, and Bard or Mach.

This generally bumps Red Mage up by around 150-200. The disparity between them and Black Mage / Summoner is actually fairly small.

Maybe we just have different ways of view the whole picture. RDM alone is lowest of caster dps and almost bottom overall. HOWEVER, it's mainly Embolden not playing well with casters that's causing any kind of issue. Why not just make it work for all damage types without putting RDM into danger of not even being wanted? As for raise and Vercure they are great utility but doing them is a decent hit to dps so seems balanced IMO.

[Bethaiah]

RDM is still being haunted by the first few weeks when it was "broken"

The penny is dropping for folks now, if your really good, you can get "middle of the road" RDM DPS.

I ACT every fight I use my RDM for, while hardly being the greatest player of all time, and having a lot less time put into FF 14 than others, the numbers don't lie.

If I was leading a pro static/raid team in whatever game. I would take another DPS class over a RDM.

That being said, it looks nice graphically, and you can save DF groups with some fast rezzing.

[Kabooa]

If I was leading a pro static/raid team in whatever game. I would take another DPS class over a RDM.

I mean, that's the trend now for the people who have already cleared. That 'another dps' just tends to be another melee, so.

[Eclipsed]

I think there are 2 perspectives here that are conflicting...

To the high end hardcore raider minmaxer in a great raid group, RDM damage is less than a BLM or other hardcore DPS classes when played at that level. To this group RDM is fine as they aren't OP to a group of this level. In fact everything seems to be pretty well balanced.

The vast majority of players will never play with people that play at the level that FFlogs portrays however. At the average level DPS is nearly even between all classes and the addition of all the support to RDM makes it overpowered because they aren't being outdps'ed.

Point is most people who play this game will never meet a 90th percentile fflogs player let alone raid with them on a regular basis. At the average players level of skill it's RDM > BLM all day long...

[Galvuu]

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If this was true, you'd see mid-ish percentiles having all jobs with the same numbers- and you don't.
Some jobs just do more damage than others.
RDM is perfectly fine, this is just leftover nonsense form the 4.0 days with glitchy mana.

[Stormblessed9000]

I think there are 2 perspectives here that are conflicting...

To the high end hardcore raider minmaxer in a great raid group, RDM damage is less than a BLM or other hardcore DPS classes when played at that level. To this group RDM is fine as they aren't OP to a group of this level. In fact everything seems to be pretty well balanced.

The vast majority of players will never play with people that play at the level that FFlogs portrays however. At the average level DPS is nearly even between all classes and the addition of all the support to RDM makes it overpowered because they aren't being outdps'ed.

Point is most people who play this game will never meet a 90th percentile fflogs player let alone raid with them on a regular basis. At the average players level of skill it's RDM > BLM all day long...

The problem with what you're saying is that fflogs doesn't just show the 90th percentile. You can look all the way down to the 10th percentile. The gap between RDM and BLM damage gets far smaller at that percentile, but it's damage relative to SAM is mostly the same at that level. BLM does drop a lot after about the 40th percentile though, but that's not really surprising.

You could argue that the fflogs percentiles are actually higher than the "real" percentiles since more "better" players may tend to post more logs.

[Elspeth]

So now we're arguing the solo potential of red mage?

Where was this when warrior was soloing titan in 2.x or when scholar was soloing literally every extreme primal in ARR and could potentially solo farm its mounts (I got 3 of mine that way.)

Red mage can solo 200 floors of palace of the dead and get some text above thier head and suddenly there's a problem? Did we forget that sch could do this before SB?

When red Mage is soloing heavenswards primals maybe then we can consider it too much of an advantage

I think we might need to revisit this line of thinking and gain some perspective

[zuzu-bq]

RDM is still being haunted by the first few weeks when it was "broken"

Verraise is still broken and if not changed RDM will still be OP on any progression party at early stages of raid progression.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

We might as well let this thread die. The people arguing against Verraise are the same people that thought RDM was god tier DPS during the mana glitch, it's all moot.

[Iromi]

Hmm..no. Its about time this game had a job like RDM. If anything I would like to see more jobs like it! Don't nerf it.