RDM's Vercure should be removed or heavily nerfed

[Ariomi]

If you defend that RDM should be "jack of all trades" in this game to defend it, then you're just wrong. That's not how this game has worked the last 4 years. Being as straight forward with the holy trinity as this game has been, RDM being the only DPS to have a worthwhile heal is stupid. That's all what I based this thread on. What will RDM lose by having their Vercure heal the same as SMNs Physick, or less?

Physic is a worthless skill on Summoner that barely heals 1% of a Summoner's health. Physic is far too weak healing only 597 health on my Ilvl 325 summoner for 600 mana, and is utterly useless. The level 54 Vercure costs the same amount of Mana as Physic as heals for 7,143 health and restores roughly 20% of my hp.


Your argument is invalid however, as every class in the game has a way to either reduce damage or heal themselves. As a Black mage you have Mana Wall that reduces damage upto 30% of your maximum health. I'll name a few more more skills for you. Riddle of Earth, Third Eye, Shade Shift, Bloodbath, Second Wind, Troubadour, etc. You weaken Red Mage's vercure and the only significant way they have to heal themselves is gone. They have no way to shield themselves from any damage, and their only heal would be reduced to an utterly worthless ability. Also seeing how Red Mage is the combination of Black Magic, and White Magic, It makes sense they would have 1 decent healing spell among the 9 Damage dealing spells that they have.

If you want to get rid of Vercure, you would have to replace it with a Red Mage spell that Reduces damage, and can proc Dualcast. Otherwise Red Mage is one of the few classes in the game unable to heal or mitigate damage somehow through some method.

[Daws]

Just leave RDMs alone. They created the perfect caster. Well, I would like the 4+ aoe rotation to be more interesting tbf but that's a minor quibble. Whatever is wrong in SMN-ville needs to be fixed there, not butcher us so we can be as cruddy as the pet folks.

Seriously, I wanted to level my SMN yesterday and, after spending quality time on a training dummy, came running back to RDM. No thank you please.

[Saefinn]

I am very happy with where RDM is, hence I main it now. It doesn't need touching. Focus on the other jobs that need fixing. Vercure is useful. Verraise is useful. At the same time, RDM is not OP. Simple as. Some jobs solo better than others. SE did RDM right, satisfying those who wanted a RDM appropriate to the lore of the series, at the same time making it work and function with how XIV is designed. Where there was a lot of scepticism, SE actually hit the mark.

But left some other jobs standing, in need of love.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

And most players seem to think that the only worthwhile balancing changes must be related to Savage...

Yes because that is what they actually balance on, they're not going to base any balance on an outdated form of playing the game where you can't even utilize your whole kit, they're not going to balance off of open world, hunts, or dungeons either because they're moderately difficult at best and that's only during the first few blips of their existence. SMN and BLM have almost never in the history of Final Fantasy had anything to even remotely suggest they should be capable of healing themselves (aside from Drain which is worthless since it's cross role), whereas RDM does. Seeing as "experiencing the uniqueness" of each job is a design priority you're just becoming a modern Sisyphus here since your argument is based entirely off of ignoring everyone else in an MMO to do outdated content.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Sure again for the thirtieth time. Nerf VerRaise. I won't have to help our raid fumble through mechanics. I won't have strong ->support<- falling closer in line with BLM. Therefore a dps buff would be in order. 275 on Verstone/Verfire/impact 250 jolt and 310 veraero/verthunder sounds fair. :]

Honestly yeah, the more people complain about, fine take it away. They can mop the dust off the floor while we backflip gracefully away from the explosions.

[Rawrz]

If you defend that RDM should be "jack of all trades" in this game to defend it, then you're just wrong. That's not how this game has worked the last 4 years. Being as straight forward with the holy trinity as this game has been, RDM being the only DPS to have a worthwhile heal is stupid. That's all what I based this thread on. What will RDM lose by having their Vercure heal the same as SMNs Physick, or less? Answer: Nothing. You're still a RDM and still have both black and white magic. If your healing ability got heavily nerfed or removed, nothing would change about RDMs values and the soloing capabilities among the 3 casters (and other DPS) would become how it should've always been. SMN lost sustain, and if it were to never return, why should RDM have something arguably stronger for soloing content? And most players seem to think that the only worthwhile balancing changes must be related to Savage...

HEALER CHOCOBOS EXIST IN OPENWORLD CONTENT. NOT EVERY CLASS CAN SOLO POTD AND THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE YOUR CHOCO SOLO. IF YOU FAIL YOUR JOB QUESTS, FIGURE IT OUT. IN CAPS BECAUSE THIS ARGUMENT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN AND THEY NEVER MENTION THE CHOCOBOS HEALING.

[Neela]

HEALER CHOCOBOS EXIST IN OPENWORLD CONTENT. NOT EVERY CLASS CAN SOLO POTD AND THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE YOUR CHOCO SOLO. IF YOU FAIL YOUR JOB QUESTS, FIGURE IT OUT. IN CAPS BECAUSE THIS ARGUMENT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN AND THEY NEVER MENTION THE CHOCOBOS HEALING.

congrats for failing chocobos won't heal egis - that's why we want it BACK. got it now?

[Dualgunner]

congrats for failing chocobos won't heal egis - that's why we want it BACK. got it now?

That's why you want what back? This is a thread about nerfing vercure, not getting sustain back.

[Neela]

I just cleared his CAPS text and answer to another user here. nothing more nothing less.

[Ariomi]

I just cleared his CAPS text and answer to another user here. nothing more nothing less.

Well you kinda misread the context a little. One person claimed Sustain was op, for open world, but Chocobos are op for open world. But whatever