SCH adlo and succor

[Connor]

That's because Ast instead deals damage through their oGCDs with their cards instead of their GDCs like Sch for the most part.

Exactly, which is how it balances itself. Scholar does more DPS with the GCDs it has, Astrologian raises the party's DPS.
Raising the potency of Adloquium could tip this balance too much in Scholar's favour by giving it even higher DPS.

I'm not saying the balance is perfect, but it's enough that no healer is worth more than another outside of absolute DPS min/maxing. While I don't have problems with MP myself I'm not against lowering the cost, but I don't believe that increasing the strength of Scholar's shields is the right way to adjust it

[Kabzy]

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The request isn't to give SCH OP shields so that they can get their throne back, it's a request to get shields that are not pathetically weak. There is literally no reason for Aspected Benefic to outclass Adlo as much as it does now.

And before anyone says "but SCH has a Faerie", the state of Embrace is even worse. It's literally a Regen tick.

[Lildragora]

The request isn't to give SCH OP shields so that they can get their throne back, it's a request to get shields that are not pathetically weak. There is literally no reason for Aspected Benefic to outclass Adlo as much as it does now.

And before anyone says "but SCH has a Faerie", the state of Embrace is even worse. It's literally a Regen tick.

A regen tick that might not even tick on who you want it to due to AI. I really wish you could just direct the auto ai heals to a specific player or not auto cast embrace...but that could have its own problems.

[Lastelli]

The request isn't to give SCH OP shields so that they can get their throne back, it's a request to get shields that are not pathetically weak. There is literally no reason for Aspected Benefic to outclass Adlo as much as it does now.

And before anyone says "but SCH has a Faerie", the state of Embrace is even worse. It's literally a Regen tick.

There is a reason. Actually two reasons: deployment tactics and excogitation.

[technole]

The request isn't to give SCH OP shields so that they can get their throne back, it's a request to get shields that are not pathetically weak. There is literally no reason for Aspected Benefic to outclass Adlo as much as it does now.

And before anyone says "but SCH has a Faerie", the state of Embrace is even worse. It's literally a Regen tick.

Noct Astro also has no access to any regen, its applicable that they should be able to take less damage if they can use AB/A.Helios/CU correctly. This gets missed a lot in any conversation why it's "better" than Adlo. You have to look at the entire job, not just 1-for-1 skills.

But you can't put up A.Benefic on everyone like Adlo/Deployment Tactics can. Yes, Deployment is still really good. A good Scholar can practically save some raid errors just because of this skill alone.

No one has ever complained about free regen, nor the availability of free Whispering Dawn every minute.

[Jonnycbad]

Deployment tactics+Sacred Soil+Fey Covenant is very powerful for reducing damage. Most SCHs dont bother with Covenant but I remember reading reddit posts that said the +20% magic defense was a huge reduction at least in FCoB, it was roughly equal to a -20% damage give or take (as compared to how poor physical defense scales for damage reduction). Just scuks we don't have Virus anymore.

[Kabzy]

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In most scenarios where you even need to deploy an Adlo, the party will most likely be stacked for raid wide damage. Aspected Helios does a close enough job to non crit deployed Adlo, and actually N.AST do have a regen in Collective Unconscious, which in said scenarios has good applicability. In fact the regen from that is so strong that it could essentially top everyone off without needing to waste more GCDs on AoE healing. Not to mention the damage reduction too, which SCHs also have but generally will never use unless it's actually preventing fatal blows.

Again, in my opinion, it comes down to the terrible design of AST that the only way they can balance it is via potencies, as they have no unique healing tools. However, there is also zero skill attached to Nocturnal stance and that is my issue with it. There is no reason for an instant shield to be that powerful. It can literally be thrown out at any point during a cast and mitigate any kind of troublesome situation. The other healers actually have to plan their shields ahead of time, and they also are far weaker. They could keep the strongest shields, but it's not right for them to be that much stronger for what is essentially a brainless ability.

[AlphaSonic]

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How nice it is comparing stuff when you forget SCH can do the same.
Use Eos if you have problems with CU. It gives better damage reduction (since most of those raid wide AoEs are magic damage, and a strong enough regen without having to be channeling anything).

[Kabzy]

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For the record, I'm not asking for SCH buffs without changes to other parts of their toolkit. That's the mistake they made with AST when they kept buffing them patch after patch until they literally killed another job. If we were to get buffed in mitigation, I would expect Indom to be nerfed back to 400 and so on.

Also on that note, please also don't forget the rest of ASTs toolkit. SCH have the worst GCD heals by far, hence why it's justified to have a Faerie healing alongside us. SCH has no answer to Benefic II or Helios, unless they want to burn through their mana, and even then it's restricted by a 20s CD on ET. It'd be nice to get adjustments in areas that actually make the job unique, nobody wants a situation like 3.4 where one job keeps getting buffed to the point that it benches another.

[AlphaSonic]

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If you want adjustment to something that makes the job unique. Shields aren't anymore. SCH need to accept that shields aren't what makes the job unique even WHM has a shield (and probably the most efficient of this game)
If you want something unique, tell SE to make more interactions with the Fairy, make dissipation better, make aetherflow better, make fey union better, make you kings of mitigation (not to be confused with shields).