SCH adlo and succor

[Xenosan]

Emergency Tactics needs to cut the cost of Adlo/Succor in half
Dissipation needs to grant a free, instant Fairy summon.

Some buffs for Selene wouldn't hurt either but I can take it or leave it at this point.

Half the recast on caress and make wind 5%

I really like these.

What is the history of adjustments to Fey Wind? It wasn't always 3% right?

[Connor]

I feel like making Adloquium even stronger would just result in a situation where you put it on the tank and no longer have to heal because of the shield strength.

Scholar already has more down time than other healers because of shields/fairy, and strengthening Adloquium would just exacerbate this.

Whether the MP cost is adjusted is something I'm impartial about. I don't find myself in desperate need of MP often, so I can't say I've found myself in a situation where I want to use it but don't have the MP.

I agree that Selene could definitely use some adjustments, it's hard to ever justify bringing her over Eos in any serious content

[ShadowPayaso]

I'd be fine with SCH if AST didn't have a better shield (its 250% of hp healed, SCH with crit is only 200% hp healed). Also, the mana cost in comparison to what we get out of Adlo and Succor is kinda bad...not saying buff SCH to oblivion but at least in 2.0/3/0 SCH could properly DPS in exchange for it's mediocre shielding/healing. Swap shield values of AST and SCH and i think we'd be at a better spot. I'll live with the Aetherflow and Embrace nerfs

[Xaeth]

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Right now, Adloquium shield is 300 potency and Aspected Benefic shield is 500 potency so I feel your comment makes no sense.
Did you read up on this at all before commenting?

ps. Counting Asts sect bonus, Aspected Benefics shield is actually equal to 575 potency.

[Nonke_Killer]

Producer, if you do not think about it properly, you will be deemed not to work.
Please adjust the balance properly

Please comment on thinking that job balance really improved in 4.0 by live broadcasting.

I am full of anger.

Why did you receive such treatment?

[Kalinas]

I would love for SCH to have a stronger pot on succor or at least lower the mp cost to equal it out with other healers aoe.

Adlo just needs the mp cost reduced. These used to be fine back when we got 20% return on mp with Aetherflow, but since SE cut that in half and boost the mp cost up...Lucid dreaming can't keep up with Adlo cost and Succor for extended damage or big dungeon pulls with lower dps groups.

A trait like AST has for even a 10-15% crit boost chance on the next Adlo after using Physick would be amazing.

It would also be nice to remove eye for an eye trait from deployment tactics since that is now a role action and replace it with Excog spread for more burst aoe heals.

Sacred soil could also use some love, either give it a boost to make it worth the Aetherflow used or make it an ogcd like Asylum or Collective Unconscious.

Dissipation should restore the fairy after being used, maybe have it restore her based on the amount of fairy gauge left 100% equal free resummon, etc.

[Connor]

Right now, Adloquium shield is 300 potency and Aspected Benefic shield is 500 potency so I feel your comment makes no sense.
Did you read up on this at all before commenting?

ps. Counting Asts sect bonus, Aspected Benefics shield is actually equal to 575 potency.

I never made any attempt to compare to the two because that's not the point of the thread? I can't clarify if you don't point out what you're disagreeing with.

Yes Aspected Benefic is stronger, but Astrologian also doesn't have a fairy, nor Excogitation, nor instant heals that can be used as frequently. It doesn't get crit bonuses and can't be spread easily to nearby party members. Aspected Benefic is stronger because you can't follow it up with an instant, MP free 600 potency heal 3 times every 45 seconds, and that's not accounting for any fairy healing.

Astrologian and Scholar are completely different, there isn't any point in trying to compare the way shields work on the two, especially not in a vacuum. One is heavily GCD based and thus has stronger GCDs, one is heavily oGCD based and thus has weaker GCDs.

[Dzian]

Astrologian and Scholar are completely different, there isn't any point in trying to compare the way shields work on the two, especially not in a vacuum. One is heavily GCD based and thus has stronger GCDs, one is heavily oGCD based and thus has weaker GCDs.

What? Scholars shields are both on gcd with cast times.

If adlo and succor where both ogcd shields I might agree with them being weaker but scholar isn't a heavy ogcd class. Hell even the fairy buffs are delayed by her own gcd.

[Connor]

What? Scholars shields are both on gcd with cast times.

If adlo and succor where both ogcd shields I might agree with them being weaker but scholar isn\\\\'t a heavy ogcd class. Hell even the fairy buffs are delayed by her own gcd.

I mean mechanically, not in terms of the number of skills. I\\'ve not mentioned Adloquium being oGCD at all so I\\'m unsure why you\\'ve assumed I think as such. A Scholar should be doing as much of their healing as possible with their oGCDs to maximise their DPS, whereas an Astrologian has less oGCD and thus has to use their GCD a lot more often, along with card abilities potentially cutting into gcd if they aren\\'t preceded by Aspected Benefic / Combust

Scholar\\'s Adloquium is lower potency than Aspected Benefic because it can followed up with a variety of aetherflow healing abilities in between GCDs , unlike an Astrologian who doesn\\'t have as many abilities to fill the space between GCDs. Aspected Benefic is instant cast but it\\'s still a GCD just same.

So an Astrologian applying a shield can\\'t heal until the shield gcd is over unless they have Essential Dignity, Lady of Crowns or Earthly Star (which has a negligible delay on
activation). Lady of Crowns is 50/50 to draw with Minor Arcana, Essential Dignity is once every 60 seconds and Earthly Star is every 60 seconds with a 10 second charge time to reach maximum healing

In this same time frame a Scholar can apply the shield to a tank and follow up with Lustrate / Indomitability, or they can use Excogitation for further \\'mitigation\\' (as the heal at 50% HP essentially works as such if you know the target is going below 50%). A Scholar can utilise these abilities three times every 45 seconds, or 30 of Dissipation has been used to refresh Aetherflow early.

The number of oGCDs is the same, but the way in which they're executed and utilised is different. An Astrologian can't have Essential Dignity / Earthly Star up for tank busters then use them to heal subsequent raid damage. You have to choose one or the other and follow up with Helios etc. A Scholar, however, is able to do this with proper aetherflow management. They can use Excogitation on tank buster, sacred soil for incoming raid damage, then Indomitability for the next AoE. None of which require the use of a GCD, and thus the Scholar deals damage instead.

Looking at the potency of Aspected Benefic and Adloquium then trying to compare the two without looking at the entire toolkit is fruitless, because they both exist in different contexts. Healer balance maybe isn\\'t perfect currently but it\\'s not so bad that Adloquium or Scholar are struggling to keep up with Astrologians.

Buffing the potency of Adloquium wouldn't serve to add anything needed to Scholar. MP costs or changing the effect are a different thing entirely, but I stand by what I said that I believe buffing Adloquium's potency would just result in Scholar getting more DPS time, which isn't necessary

[Supersun]

That's because Ast instead deals damage through their oGCDs with their cards instead of their GDCs like Sch for the most part.