Would it be alright to ask for level restriction for rank?

[Risvertasashi]

You are completely ignoring the point that people with absolutely zero game knowledge can enter ranked pvp at any time once they hit lvl 30.

And this is complete hyperbole. By level 30 they've experienced a number of dungeons, experienced the cross class system, learned class roles, and so on. And... pvp is so different from pve now, putting some arbitrary level requirement on it won't help in the slightest. They'll have to relearn everything for pvp anyways. (Also I'd like to see someone get that far in 5~10 hours. I don't think it's possible, unless you have a crew to unsync your dungeons for you and maybe even then because you still need exp).

By the time you're in silver, seeing bronze newbies is rare. By gold... well, perhaps possible if you're queuing at some really weird times, but nearly nonexistent.

[Jigokunoreizasan]

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Even if that's the case XIVs PVP competitive mode relies more on teamwork than overwatch. In OW you can have a dps carry their heart out, that won't work at all on this game since a dps is only as good as their healer allows. If a dps keeps dying due to a healer's inability to keep them alive even when they're kiting and sprinting (Cant break LoS because your healer thats fresh from pve doesn't know healer positions matter a lot more than pve) then that's entirely on the healers fault since there's nothing more they could have done to prevent the death. There are no health packs for self sustain, there is no backcapping to win the game even though your team is getting destroyed, there are no tactics you can use since you can't switch classes inside and adjust accordingly to help give your team an edge. It's literally "Who's healer can keep their teammates alive the longest will win this match" that takes the skill out of pvp and just adds RNG

[Jigokunoreizasan]

And this is complete hyperbole. By level 30 they've experienced a number of dungeons, experienced the cross class system, learned class roles, and so on. And... pvp is so different from pve now, putting some arbitrary level requirement on it won't help in the slightest. They'll have to relearn everything for pvp anyways. (Also I'd like to see someone get that far in 5~10 hours. I don't think it's possible, unless you have a crew to unsync your dungeons for you and maybe even then because you still need exp).

By the time you're in silver, seeing bronze newbies is rare. By gold... well, perhaps possible if you're queuing at some really weird times, but nearly nonexistent.

PvE level restriction won't help no, but a PVP level restriction will. We still have PvP levels for some reason, might as well make them useful and set it for locking ranked behind that.

[Dmal]

And this is complete hyperbole.

Yes, just as me having people dealing less dmg on DDs than I am on my paladin in pvp is also a total hyperbole /s

The issues we're talking about are literally happening. they aren't just some made up story all of us came up with all of a sudden.

[Risvertasashi]

PvE level restriction won't help no, but a PVP level restriction will. We still have PvP levels for some reason, might as well make them useful and set it for locking ranked behind that.

OW players would beg to differ, I think, but let's look past that for now and focus on XIV.

That might be a fair requirement, but I'm not sure that would really help if they're just spamming frontline. I would instead suggest a few unranked battles as a requirement, or perhaps a "Hall of the Novice" for pvp that must be done first. Enough to teach basics, but of course 'meta' strategies and some such things wouldn't be suited here as they tend to change over time. In any case, I don't think the requirements should be overly arduous -- those that learn quick will do well quick. Those that don't, won't be helped by setting a high gate.

[Risvertasashi]

Yes, just as me having people dealing less dmg on DDs than I am on my paladin in pvp is also a total hyperbole /s

DPS dealing low damage isn't always hyperbole. Claiming people that have been playing the game for however many hours (which is most assuredly higher than 10 hours) have zero game knowledge, that is the very definition of hyperbole.

Would you like to make an actual argument, or shall we stay here in pedant corner? xD

[Jigokunoreizasan]

OW players would beg to differ, I think, but let's look past that for now and focus on XIV.

That might be a fair requirement, but I'm not sure that would really help if they're just spamming frontline. I would instead suggest a few unranked battles as a requirement, or perhaps a "Hall of the Novice" for pvp that must be done first. Enough to teach basics, but of course 'meta' strategies and some such things wouldn't be suited here as they tend to change over time. In any case, I don't think the requirements should be overly arduous -- those that learn quick will do well quick. Those that don't, won't be helped by setting a high gate.

A Hall of the novice I can agree with, as well as with the match requirements. Anything is better than throwing fresh meat into a pit with hungry wolves

[Cynric]

By the time you're in silver, seeing bronze newbies is rare. By gold... well, perhaps possible if you're queuing at some really weird times, but nearly nonexistent.

No it isn't. Your data center must just not be as flooded as mine is. Doesn't matter what time of the day or even what day you queue, you will still see unranked/bronze even in gold that are barely level 30-40 and have no idea what they're doing.

[Dmal]

DPS dealing low damage isn't always hyperbole. Claiming people that have been playing the game for however many hours (which is most assuredly higher than 10 hours) have zero game knowledge, that is the very definition of hyperbole.

Would you like to make an actual argument, or shall we stay here in pedant corner? xD

Do you maybe think that it might be possible that some of us might be looking up cases of our bad team members on the lodestone and then seing that quite a few of those are on their first class that hasn't even reached lvl 60 yet? Because boy, lemme tell you, the possibility of that is quite high.
Edit: also a search info still exists in a match

[Risvertasashi]

Do you maybe think that it might be possible that some of us might be looking up cases of our bad team members on the lodestone and then seing that quite a few of those are on their first class that hasn't even reached lvl 60 yet? Because boy, lemme tell you, the possibility of that is quite high.

My argument remains exactly the same--

I don't think them being level 60 will help. pvp and pve are radically different experiences with completely different ability sets.

Conversely, I do think it's good that they can try pvp without it being gated around a massive pve/story investment (and since SE went with the recommendation to reduce pve requirements, I would suspect they do too).