How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

[Reynhart]

So how can you accurately say that nothing is being done about it?

I made reports with log copies and got personally answered that the evidence I provided was not valid because people are free to not have the same expectations as me and so my kick was not abusive.

Improvement without the proper tools and feedback is like trying to navigate without a map.

No, improvement without a parser is like navigating without a GPS. And it can be done, it's called looking at a map, analyzing your journey before being in the car and paying attention to the road. And this attention issue is exactly the same when people use third party tools. I don't need a parser to tell me that I should have used Carve&Spit more.

One of the reasons people find it so hard to transition to more difficult content in this game is that the normal content they're doing doesn't provide enough feedback for their mistakes (i.e. death).

The main reason is that, apart from really difficult content, everything else is facerolling easy. There's no difficulty curve to make players improve little by little. And SE only aggravates this by nerfing content more and more. The problem is that, the easier you make the content, the easier you future content will have to be. It's a wonder that the last fight of the MSQ is on the "hard" part of the spectrum, but I doubt it will really stay that way.

[HyoMinPark]

I made reports with log copies and got personally answered that the evidence I provided was not valid because people are free to not have the same expectations as me and so my kick was not abusive.

If you were kicked for "differences in playstyles," that is a valid reason for a votekick. Hence, not votekick abuse. Majority rules in votekicks. If you weren't playing to the expectations of at least half of the party, they are allowed to kick you. It's another story if the other party members were together and conspired against you to vote kick you for a reason such as to bring in one of their friends, but that can only be proven via their chat logs, which you would not have access to. If you were kicked because people were perceiving you as being a burden to the party, that's not votekick abuse.

[Nestama]

And if you weren't kicked, but someone else was, then the person who was kicked needs to make the report, otherwise the GM's won't do anything (because you're not the victim)... unless there's evidence of third party use in the party chat (and GM's will not tell you if they have or have not given the culprit a slap on the wrist or worse, depending on which step they're on).

[Dualgunner]

No, improvement without a parser is like navigating without a GPS. And it can be done, it's called looking at a map, analyzing your journey before being in the car and paying attention to the road. And this attention issue is exactly the same when people use third party tools. I don't need a parser to tell me that I should have used Carve&Spit more.

You're making a distinction without a difference. In both cases acting without the tool is possible, it's just less efficient.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I didn't need a parser or someone calling me out to know that. I just needed the desire to improve myself and knowledge from some DRG guide.

Right. And how do you think those guides figured it out? The people making them parse log for hours trying to determine the precise rotation. Why not readily provide everyone with that potential information instead of PC players?

Having parsing built in to the game will not stop players from being bad, nor will it stop them from trying to do content that demands far more skill than they have. I spent enough time in WoW to know this. Everyone and their mother has a dps meter in that game and you still constantly find bad players.

It isn't about eliminating bad players, but simply lessening the number. For every handful of players who don't care, you'll find at least one or two who genuinely didn't realize their poor performance and seek improvement.

[akaneakki]

Right. And how do you think those guides figured it out? The people making them parse log for hours trying to determine the precise rotation. Why not readily provide everyone with that potential information instead of PC players?

He cant prove if and if he can, I would like to group in a dungeon with him and where he tells me which dps does the highest dps through out the dungeon without tool.

[Brannigan]

The main reason is that, apart from really difficult content, everything else is facerolling easy.

You're just rewording what I said. The game doesn't give you feedback (in easy content). Also known as criticism, punishment, penalty, or, in games, death. If you don't get penalized you don't know that what you're doing is incorrect, so you just keep on messing up that whatever. Here's an example: in the Phoenix fight, there's a debuff that you have to pass while he's casting a certain action. There's two variants of the debuff - green and purple (I think, it's been a while). At the time my group couldn't figure out the difference between the two, so we just said screw it and played them both the same way. As it turns out, one of them is split damage or something, but it doesn't actually hit hard enough for you to figure that out.

On this raid tier, Twin Bolt is survivable solo if you have strong enough mitigation available. If it wasn't called Twin Bolt, and it didn't have the tether line, you might just figure that you need to use Sentinel or Vengeance on it, because it doesn't come around that often and doesn't kill you when you do that. No penalty = no "what am I doing wrong?" = no progress

If you can't see your low DPS you'll have a harder time knowing whether or not what you're doing is incorrect.

[Penthea]

It isn't about eliminating bad players, but simply lessening the number. For every handful of players who don't care, you'll find at least one or two who genuinely didn't realize their poor performance and seek improvement.

While this is true, parsing built into the game will not make a noticeable positive difference in player ability among the general population. I actually found more bad players in WoW than I did in FF and I'm not talking about poor parse results. I mean things like pulling when they're not the tank, eating avoidable damage, knowingly ignoring tactics which then results in a wipe, etc. A lot of the time these things happen because players are more interested in parsing well than doing combat properly.

And no this behaviour is not restricted to pugs. I constantly saw it happen throughout my years raiding. I don't even want to begin to count the amount of wipes I have had to endure because some dps were intentionally hitting the wrong target as it made their place in the dps meter very high.

[Taika]

No, improvement without a parser is like navigating without a GPS. And it can be done, it's called looking at a map, analyzing your journey before being in the car and paying attention to the road.

Imagine yourself in a group doing OS3. Each party member has beaten the fight's dummy, healers are doing at least some DPS, there are no deaths, but the group keeps hitting enrage. How would you "navigate" the situation without a parser?

[Zeonsilt]

Imagine yourself in a group doing OS3. Each party member has beaten the fight's dummy, healers are doing at least some DPS, there are no deaths, but the group keeps hitting enrage. How would you "navigate" the situation without a parser?

"Everyone, this was a good match, let's try our best next time! I'm sure we can do it!"

-cough-

That's the most common one ^
p.s. I don't hate this "general mindset", but in Savage content it will not help people to clear a specific fight.