The Legacy of Alexander and the Xaela [Spoilers]

[LystAP]

Having a tribe destroyed is different from a whole-scale massacre. Technically, the Avagnar are destroyed, as their culture was wholly assimilated by the Adarkim. But there were survivors. The outlier is the implication in the Hotgo text that the Dotharl massacred every last member they could get their hands on.

The question being asked in Kiht's post isn't about how the tribe was destroyed, but how every man, woman and child was killed by a strangely honorable tribe in the MSQ. The Dotharl revel in the battle and seek to have their souls shine bright, I doubt slaughtering children would make their souls very bright.

A issue is that the tribal descriptions are in the Lorebook, which means it is near Word of God for FFXIV. The Lorebook itself has several instances that references things which would be improbable for a Eorzean scholar to know, or make comparisons with how Japanese is involved. Unless its mentioned explicitly in-game, sources external to the game have precedence, including the naming conventions, which came before SE identified Mide as a Hotgo.

Which raises a interesting question, SE could have just given Mide a random tribe name, such as they did for Sidurgu. Why did they pick the Hotgo, a PC name option, and in SB, why did they pick the Dotharl - whom are connected to the Hotgo by being the instruments of the former's destruction.

Anyway, it's just a theory, and one I came up with myself. There's no support for it in-game, aside from the overall oddity that the Dotharl don't seem to be as vicious as they're supposed to be - EXCEPT when it came to the Hotgo.

This is the point of interest, the Hotgo seemed an exception, while the Dotharl supposed revelry of massacre is rather tamed in application.

That said, the naming conventions themselves are actually quite accurate, although broad. The Goro view of marriage is very similar to how dragons view their mates, so it could be said to be married. The Dataqi chief himself admits that they often do sleep on their saddles and those who infer as such wouldn't be incorrect. The low numbers from combat attrition part of the Dotharl description was acknowledged by Sadu herself, when Gosetu inquired about it to her. And we know the Oronir description is very accurate.

The only exception that hasn't yet to be explained or noted seems to be the Hotgo and their face paint.

[Ultimatecalibur]

A issue is that the tribal descriptions are in the Lorebook, which means it is near Word of God for FFXIV. The Lorebook itself has several instances that references things which would be improbable for a Eorzean scholar to know, or make comparisons with how Japanese is involved. Unless its mentioned explicitly in-game, sources external to the game have precedence, including the naming conventions, which came before SE identified Mide as a Hotgo.

Actually the information in Encyclopedia Eorzea can not be taken as "word of god." It is an intentional abridged version of FFXIV's setting bible with various parts obfuscated and other parts "translated" in order to intrigue fans with more info about the world.

Mide's tribe was likely determined before the HW expansion was released when they completed the outline of the Alexander story.

Which raises a interesting question, SE could have just given Mide a random tribe name, such as they did for Sidurgu. Why did they pick the Hotgo, a PC name option, and in SB, why did they pick the Dotharl - whom are connected to the Hotgo by being the instruments of the former's destruction.

The simple answer is that Mide was made a Hotgo due to them being a dispossessed tribe and the Dotharl were chosen for their deathseeker mentality which stands out among the other tribes.

[LystAP]

Actually the information in Encyclopedia Eorzea can not be taken as "word of god." It is an intentional abridged version of FFXIV's setting bible with various parts obfuscated and other parts "translated" in order to intrigue fans with more info about the world.

The tribe list isn't only in the Lorebook, but also directly on the forums ( http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ng-Conventions ). The tribal identifiers are not 'translated', but direct factoids by SE.

Mide's tribe was likely determined before the HW expansion was released when they completed the outline of the Alexander story.

The simple answer is that Mide was made a Hotgo due to them being a dispossessed tribe and the Dotharl were chosen for their deathseeker mentality which stands out among the other tribes.

They could have made Mide a Orl, which was the tribe Sidurgu belong too and got wiped out by the Ishgardians. However, they picked another tribe - a PC tribe, and also neglected to incorporate the identifying trait of said tribe - face paint. Given the thoroughness of the Lore team in the past, this can't just be coincidence.

The Dotharl are not death seekers, Sadu highlights this, they do not fear death, but they are not suicidal. In regards to tribe selection; they could have made another tribe - if they wanted a Nhaama - they could have picked the Kagon. if the Oronir ruled the Steppes, why can't the Kagon be their opponents? They could have the same mentality as the Dotharl, considering the association of Nhaama with death (i.e. the House of Crooked Coin).

[Balipu]

The tribe list isn't only in the Lorebook, but also directly on the forums ( http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ng-Conventions ). The tribal identifiers are not 'translated', but direct factoids by SE.



They could have made Mide a Orl, which was the tribe Sidurgu belong too and got wiped out by the Ishgardians. However, they picked another tribe - a PC tribe, and also neglected to incorporate the identifying trait of said tribe - face paint. Given the thoroughness of the Lore team in the past, this can't just be coincidence.

Yes it is on the forum but maybe it was always intended to be a flawed in universe account. A question for a lore panel. Or a second lore book.