What's up with healers not healing?

[Damane]

I don't think you were saying it is wrong. I guess I am just of the opinion that no matter what the content, healers should try to be pushing DPS as hard as they can. Whether the DPS are amazing or absolutely terrible, the damage contributed by healers is still helpful.

...well, unless your DPS are pulling sub-3.0 numbers. Then any contribution a healer might make damage-wise is likely to be moot.



For me, it has nothing to do with being "forced." I want to contribute as much to my team as possible in Savage. I think that should be everyone's goal. If DPS checks are super tight, it really isn't hard to cast an occasional damage spell to get a few hundred DPS to ensure a safer and speedier win.

Oh I agree with you, i mean otherwise playing Healer would be boring without DPSing. I just find it tiresome that Players fast jump to the conclusion "Blame the Healer" on anything, even if its not their fault.
"Oh you failed a mechanic as a DPS" ----> Blame the Healer for not saveing you
"Oh you forgot to use your Cooldown on a Tank Buster" ----> Blame the Healer for not keepign you alive
"Oh you didnt meat the DPS check and encountered Enrage!" ----> Blame the Healer for not DPSing even more.

While very funny and sarcastic, alot of it holds true lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4

[Tyranade]

No one is asking you to overburden yourself. They are just asking you to do something in your downtime. That's all anyone has ever asked at all and anyone saying otherwise is on the opposite in and don't want to DPS at all.

I know that. What I'm saying is that the aggressive stance of some players who without even considering why a person may behave a certain way before they go on the offensive have left me nervous to go back to being a healer.
They just attack immediately, no questions asked. Why use words like lazy etc when you don't even know why? I just wanted to give another perspective to why. That's it.
I used to dps as much as I could anyway, so that's never been a problem for me.

[Zukissa]

If you die to auto attacks then find new healers. If a healer says I qued healer for shorter que time then I'm hovering over that dismiss player button. Still, I give everyone a fair chance. They get 2 chances and 3 polite explanations of what's required of them if we keep wiping due to healer related reasons. Out of 714 runs only ever had to kick 2 healers.

[Taika]

I'm a returning player and used to play a WHM which I loved. I'm now feeling very nervous going back to healing and there's no way I will dps if I don't feel I can manage. Does that make me a lazy and bad player?

From my experience, everyone is generally very understanding in game, especially towards new healers who are only just learning. The people who are called lazy are the ones who are at level 70 and experienced and choose to do nothing (when no healing is required) when they could instead choose to be helpful and DPS. The healers who stand still, jump around or /dance while watching the rest of their team work. These are the players that get on other players' nerves, not the ones who are trying to play their job well and be helpful to their party but are new and only just learning (or have other things that prevent them from playing the job fully).

When I see a healer who only heals in game, I say to them something like "hey healer, don't be afraid to also DPS a bit!" or "could you please use some DoTs / Holy / Gravity when no one is in any danger?", and then do my best to be supportive and offer advice if needed (usually I only offer the advice after the run is finished so they can consider it for their next run though, so they won't feel too pressured during the run, like today when I asked an AST to do some DPS in Aery and they proceeded to Gravity spam single target boss fights I let them do their thing but after we were finished adviced to use DoT and Malefic on single targets and save Gravity for groups).

I will never just blindly kick someone for not DPSing and I've never seen anyone blindly kicked for that either. I also never kick someone if they say that they're new and not comfortable enough yet to try DPS, although I do try to encourage them to try. The only times I've seen healers being kicked for not DPSing (some of them initiated by myself) have been when the healer has replied to a request of participating in DPS with "no I won't, it's not my job", so it's been a question of refusing to cooperate with your party.

[Maero]

Because they figure having Red Mage in a group they can suddenly just focus on dps and Red Mage will be back up healer.
I say this jokingly but at the same time having been with some random healers i wonder if what i posted is true, lol

[Avatre]

Because they figure having Red Mage in a group they can suddenly just focus on dps and Red Mage will be back up healer.
I say this jokingly but at the same time having been with some random healers i wonder if what i posted is true, lol

I had a WHM ask, while synced down to 60, why I didn't help rez as a RDM. Verraise is a level 64 skill...they still asked why I didn't do it after me saying that.

[Maero]

I had a WHM ask, while synced down to 60, why I didn't help rez as a RDM. Verraise is a level 64 skill...they still asked why I didn't do it after me saying that.

... yeah does not surprise, lol
Sure i love to help raise if needed to save from wipes but it is not an EZ card for healers to be lazy

[Ilan]

I don't get it, we healed you (general you) and you cried we did no DPS and now that we DPS you crie we don't heal you ^^"
#trollandproudofit

I don't get it. You as a healer should be able to estimate the situation and to play accordingly. Meaning: You should be able to know when you can dps and when you have to heal. Its the same with tanks, they have to know when they can drop their tankstance and when not. Funny that so many healers play dumb when it comes to play healer properly aka. healing and dpsing when its necessary/possible.

[missybee]

Honestly, red mage has been a massive boon in Savage.

I am new to healing Savage-tier content, so I'm not the best with budgeting my MP. While we are still learning various fights, we have deaths, and excessive deaths are pretty expensive MP-wise. The occasional Verraise and Manashift? Mwah. The best.

I feel pretty strongly about them not having to do that sort of thing outside of Savage though, unless they are feeling really charitable (though I am sure Verraise will be pretty handy in the upcoming 24-man).

[Dualgunner]

Because they figure having Red Mage in a group they can suddenly just focus on dps and Red Mage will be back up healer.
I say this jokingly but at the same time having been with some random healers i wonder if what i posted is true, lol

Imagine a Thordan bird farm, going solo heal, and then the solo heal getting pissed at the RDM for not acting as the back up healer.

So glad that farm is done that group exasperated me