What's up with healers not healing?

[Rasylia]

I don't know how we got to 12 pages and 9 pages of them show that people can't follow a simple conversation. The topic does not say : Should healers dps/Should they not dps! The topic is about healers not doing anything, yes that means they stand around, despite the fact that they can't simply follow their role, and that means healing. Not even a regen gets applied, tanks dying to auto attack aka 500+ fluff dmg, when there are two healers in a party etc. It's not about the damn dps of healers, and people's opinion about it.

EDIT: Scratch that, i read it as an awnser to my post and not a general statement.

[Zukissa]

If you die to auto attacks then find new healers. If a healer says I qued healer for shorter que time then I'm hovering over that dismiss player button. Still, I give everyone a fair chance. They get 2 chances and 3 polite explanations of what's required of them if we keep wiping due to healer related reasons. Out of 714 runs only ever had to kick 2 healers.

[Maero]

Because they figure having Red Mage in a group they can suddenly just focus on dps and Red Mage will be back up healer.
I say this jokingly but at the same time having been with some random healers i wonder if what i posted is true, lol

[Avatre]

Because they figure having Red Mage in a group they can suddenly just focus on dps and Red Mage will be back up healer.
I say this jokingly but at the same time having been with some random healers i wonder if what i posted is true, lol

I had a WHM ask, while synced down to 60, why I didn't help rez as a RDM. Verraise is a level 64 skill...they still asked why I didn't do it after me saying that.

[Maero]

I had a WHM ask, while synced down to 60, why I didn't help rez as a RDM. Verraise is a level 64 skill...they still asked why I didn't do it after me saying that.

... yeah does not surprise, lol
Sure i love to help raise if needed to save from wipes but it is not an EZ card for healers to be lazy

[missybee]

Honestly, red mage has been a massive boon in Savage.

I am new to healing Savage-tier content, so I'm not the best with budgeting my MP. While we are still learning various fights, we have deaths, and excessive deaths are pretty expensive MP-wise. The occasional Verraise and Manashift? Mwah. The best.

I feel pretty strongly about them not having to do that sort of thing outside of Savage though, unless they are feeling really charitable (though I am sure Verraise will be pretty handy in the upcoming 24-man).

[Avatre]

The occasional Verraise and Manashift? Mwah. The best.

I feel pretty strongly about them not having to do that sort of thing outside of Savage though, unless they are feeling really charitable (though I am sure Verraise will be pretty handy in the upcoming 24-man).

That's the thing. There are healers who expect it so that they can DPS. Honestly, I only use Verraise if someone has been down for a bit, healers are low on MP, or it's a healer and the tanks are taking loads of damage and the living healer can't due to swiftcast being on CD. Manashift is similar, if a healer is 1/4 MP I will do so(or if they just got ressed...sometimes said healer dies within a few seconds so Manashift is wasted). Same with Vercure, if I see the tanks need healing more than me, I will top myself up if the healer(s) are focused solely on the tank(doesn't happen often).

[missybee]

That's the thing. There are healers who expect it so that they can DPS.

Well those people are dingdongers.

We can do some deeps, but it isn't going to compare to what a RDM can do going ham.

Healers shouldn't expect red mages to be their back-up / mana battery. This isn't XI.

[Namida-Hikari]

Well those people are dingdongers.

Healers shouldn't expect red mages to be their back-up / mana battery. This isn't XI.

But they are... I play RDM and yes, I love helping the healer of the team when it's needed and, above all WHEN I DECIDE TO. When the healer is new, or undergeared, I will gladly help him. But Let's be honest I've been kicked 3, maybe 4 times, because the WHM was dpsing and I wasn't healing the tank properly or did not raise the other DPS while our healer was spamming holy. Giving some VerCure is A BONUS, not the way for RDM have to play all the time. The problem with the community is that players decide for others how they should play. Healers SHOULD NOT kick RDM just because they don't do enough heal (while those same healers spend all their mana to dps) and they SHOULD NOT expect for others to do their job.

[Aethaeryn]

But Let's be honest I've been kicked 3, maybe 4 times, because the WHM was dpsing and I wasn't healing the tank properly or did not raise the other DPS while our healer was spamming holy. Giving some VerCure is A BONUS, not the way for RDM have to play all the time.

Why would anyone kick you for not casting vercure? When I'm healing, it annoys the shit out of me when the RDM is wasting dps time to vercure himself or the tank. No one has ever asked or implied that I should heal when I red mage. I could see someone kicking you for doing single target dps on a huge trash pull in that situation, but not because you weren't healing. Man, people who post here have the strangest experiences. Maybe it's an EU datacenter thing? Or SMN mains who are really bitter about your dualcast raise and int-based heal.