Next Tank Job?

[Seku]

Third eye doesn't absorb magic, and also the most problematic attacks are aoe which ignore third eye.

PLD doesn't absorb magic either, nor is it a magic tank by default. AoE attacks were problematic for everyone not just tanks, which is why a lot of groups had people sub ninja for shadow and why a lot of HMN groups only took Ranged DPS . Third Eye however does absorb large hits, multi attack weapon skills, and auto attacks, which in turn allowed them solo tank slow hitting mobs, mobs that did multi hit weapon skills, and allowed them to get shadows back.

As for AOE and when Third eye are down. Thats what the DT sets are for since you can you know, change gear mid battle in that game.

Actually no. Only war, pld and drk have access to non-job specific heavy armor.

Like the games current all around best tanking piece and rarest tanking piece?
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/26944/tartarus-platemail

Just like every other job have access to -dt gear. However, only pld and run have the best -dt gear.

The only job that has better DT gear is PLD and thats through Ageis and Burtang due to the fact that they let you break the Hard cap of -50% damage taken, which in case you didn't know no one can go above -50% damage taken naturally. These are two weapons that take most people months, if not years to obtain, which prior to them making Dynamis easy to get into by removing the time restraint and gil requirement, only a few people had their hands on these weapons and normally only one.

The only reason to take a PLD was for spike enmity and their ability to block so they could put their shadows back up.

Can't counter magic or aoe attacks.

PLD can naturally counter magic without - magic damage taken gear? Nope. RUN and PLD can counter AoE attacks naturally? Nope. So not sure why this really matters.

And if you're talking about SAM's ability to counter attack with Third eye up, of course they can't. But extra damage going out while their putting defenses back up is better than no damage at all. Thing about 11 is that you geared your Sub job to handle the fight you were going into. :0

IE: Mob does a lot of fast but weak attacks? No need for /ninja. Mob does a lot of single target Magic nukes and hits hard enough that your -50% magic damage taken gear set doesn't cut off enough damage? go /nin and now /run.

Oh please, find me a tank samurai.

Kinda hard to with a game that has lost a good majority of it's player base. But from way back when. Sure.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/15645/sammnk-tank/

You can search the rest of the old forums yourself since theres about....15 years worth of it.

[Chrono_Rising]

I would like to see them implement a beserker tank.

[Justuas]

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I'll just say that your points are out-to-date. Sam might have been good for tanking trash mobs and mobs that don't aoe much, which again is rare nowdays.
HNMs aren't relevant anymore.
If the mob spams aoe or it's regular attacks are aoe, third eye and shadows have little use and sam don't have a chance at tanking.

The only job that has better DT gear is PLD and thats through Ageis and Burtang

Run has better dt gear too. Also why are sam's ultimate weapons suited for dd unlike pld and run's?
I meant Odyssean gear but fine. Souveran cuirass +1 is better than tartarus, and it's only for war/pld.

The only reason to take a PLD was

Emphasis on "was".

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/15645/sammnk-tank/

That thread is like from 2010... not relevant anymore. I'll give you something more up-to-date http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/41...-a-guide-v-20/

[Janise]

Considering that Samurai has and still has seigan along with third eye, access to heavy armor with -% damage taken on it, counter attacks, samurai was and still is a tank in FF11. .

Must have been playing a different game the last 8 years. As someone who cleared literally everything in FFXI and who still thinks its still one of the best MMO despite its outdated graphics I think I can say with 100% confidence that Samurai never was and still isn't a tank in FFXI! Awesome DD though in its day.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Oh please, find me a tank samurai.

I cant speak for current FFXI, but back in my Lv75 days, literally ANYTHING can tank.
The game was designed so there was no obvious "tank" and they intended just about any melee to tank. (And like I said, even non melee found ways to tank, due to the options they created)
Usually just have /NIN, and SATA and you have someone who can tank anything.
Certain jobs had better options in gear and ease of difficulty in tanking certain combinations of PT/mobs but every job was capable of tanking at Lv75.
For the largest % of bosses, RDM was the best, then BLU, then its rough to say if PLD or NIN was better, as they excel at different bosses almost equally.
The ONLY job I hadnt seen tank, was BLM, and honestly dont see any reason they couldnt tank, since WHM could. (As a somewhat comparable job in stats)

You also mention RUN is currently useful as a tank, but from my friends who played it at launch, almost no endgame mob used magic, and everyone cried that RUN was useless.
If anything, they changed endgame to make RUN useful, and that's at best a coincidence, and only works for the current endgame (which is pretty much finalized, but wouldnt have stayed this way, with how much they flip flop stuff with their new dev team)

If you're going to argue that only the current magic based endgame is acceptable in talking about the idea of SAM tanks, then one could argue that the majority of FFXIs lifespan, jobs like RUN are useless, and jobs like SAM were the "real" tanks, and therefor only arguing a small portion of its lifespan isnt much of an argument.

Before wanting a next tank job how about we get these 3 existing ones fixed/balanced first? there are still some issues so adding 4th tank on the mix would probably do more harm than good.

Looking at current tanks, and current DPS, and prior DPS/tanks/healers in prior patches, these dont seem to actually be all that related.
So how about "No."
How about we actually get new tanks and healers, and they still work on balancing it, just as they did with DPS this expansion?

Dancer, because getting a dps with potent healing abilities would be broken.
*cough*

Would just be easier, and more unique, to have them as a Healer imo, and then there wouldnt be an issue.

I would like to see them implement a beserker tank.

Literally WAR.
it may not feel like it to you, but WAR and PLD are pretty much based on the Knight job, but WAR given the berserker flavor, and PLD being more like the FF1/FF4Cecil PLD type, rather than the FFT weapon/armor breaking type.

[Ogulbuk]

Don't care about thread redundancy, its cool to reset these once in a while IMO.

My 3 wish list tanks:

Blue Mage
Weapons: dual wield sinclair swords.

Despite the name, would not be so much of a "mage", not a caster anyways. It would be able to learn abilities from NPCs, but it would have it's own "Role" tab in the Actions screen called Blue Magic. You could go the game just with quest-learnt abilities slotted, or you could engage into hunt log completion to learn other Beast [Blue] "Magic". You would get a series of slots to fill, like a defensive cooldown slot, an offensive cooldown, an aoe agro holding attack, all of these would be different based on what you slot in, and what you can slot would be based on what hunt logs you have completed to denote your study of the blue magic.

Beast Master
Weapons: dual wield hand axes, or wield a whip.

It would be a tank (not the pet) but instead of stances it can call one of two pets. One pet does more damage, the other pet absorbs 20% of damage and heals directed at you.


Viking
Weapon: 1 handed hammer. Share shields with Paladins

It would rely on Thunder elemental magic for various mechanics. Their AoE agro would be a thunder sphere around the target, but not very long range.
They would not get a tanking stance, instead they would have a trait that increases their agro generation and resistance. It's DPS stance would be an en-thunder ability that adds thunder elemental damage to all their attacks, it would however negate the resistance provided by their tanking trait.

Team utility would be a combination of battle cries and thunder based effects.

[Okamimaru]

Geomancer with a hammer or stone club.... using control of the terrain to create rock walls, use lava eruptions for aoes, root binding for stuns....

[Chrono_Rising]

Literally WAR.
it may not feel like it to you, but WAR and PLD are pretty much based on the Knight job, but WAR given the berserker flavor, and PLD being more like the FF1/FF4Cecil PLD type, rather than the FFT weapon/armor breaking type.

I would agree warrior feels like beserker, but I was a real beserker not just the flavor.

[Seku]

I'll just say that your points are out-to-date. Sam might have been good for tanking trash mobs and mobs that don't aoe much, which again is rare nowdays.

Not out of date, just because it's rarer, doesn't mean it can't tank and wasn't used as a tank(as you claim, but have already admitted that they have at some point). Also, sky gods, kirin(who spammed aoes), sea gods and both section of limbus were all end game at 75. All of which SAM has tanked before, including some HNM's in the WOTG era. Rather their relevant or not at the moment doesn't matter, as this content made up a majority of the games life span.

Run has better dt gear too. Also why are sam's ultimate weapons suited for dd unlike pld and run's?

Sorry forgot about the fact RUN has a weapon that takes months to years to make. Also see point address your souveran cuirass gear. Since RUN you know, can't wear it at all or any heavy armor for that matter and are stuck in the lightweight and middle weight armors.

Why was ninjas ultimate weapon suited for dps when players obviously made that class into a tank? Why does RDM have access to Excalibur, other than to use as a toy? No one knows, ask the developers.

I meant Odyssean gear but fine. Souveran cuirass +1 is better than tartarus, and it's only for war and pld

It's actually about the same for physical damage reduction, and tartarus pulls ahead for magic defense, which by your logic is the worse type of damage along with AoE.

Souveran has like....15 more vit. Tartarus has 11 more magic evasion, 2 more of a traited magic defense bonus(once only on rdm and is on run), and absorbs magical damage by 5%. Oh and 7 more actual defense. --- This is the Souveran +1, that has been augmented.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Tartarus_Platemail
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Nolan

Not to mention it still destroys your moot point of heavy armor only being stuck on drk,pld, and war.

Also since war can use both, I suppose WAR can tank too and is in league with PLD. But RUN can't use either....so RUN obviously isn't a tank. (sarcasm)
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That thread is like from 2010... not relevant anymore. I'll give you something more up-to-date http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/41...-a-guide-v-20/

Thank you.

V. Equipment Sets
a. TP Sets
b. Bow Sets
c. Weapon Skill Sets
d. Defense Sets

From the guide you linked. --- Also this guide is over a year old and doesn't seem to be being kept up to date. ;o

But I see a optimized....-PDT set. a -MDT set....a HP regen set. Oh and lookie here a enmity set, the stat that lets you grab hate. In a 2016 guide for FF11.

Seems all your points are basically irrelevant and some actually fall in line with my own.

[Justuas]

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As I've said before, sam can tank trash mobs sure. Pretty much anyone can with dt set. I've seen whm tank Tojil.

Sorry forgot about the fact RUN has a weapon that takes months to years to make.

Only if you haven't started the prerequisites (mainly coalitions). Meanwhile you can do plenty of other stuff.

Also see point address your souveran cuirass gear. Since RUN you know, can't wear it at all or any heavy armor for that matter and are stuck in the lightweight and middle weight armors.

Run is a magic (evasion) tank. Souveran gear is clearly meant for pdt.

Why was ninjas ultimate weapon suited for dps when players obviously made that class into a tank?

Good question. After abyssea Ninja hasn't been used as a tank much either because reasons already mentioned. It's dd now.