Next Tank Job?

[Seku]

I'll just say that your points are out-to-date. Sam might have been good for tanking trash mobs and mobs that don't aoe much, which again is rare nowdays.

Not out of date, just because it's rarer, doesn't mean it can't tank and wasn't used as a tank(as you claim, but have already admitted that they have at some point). Also, sky gods, kirin(who spammed aoes), sea gods and both section of limbus were all end game at 75. All of which SAM has tanked before, including some HNM's in the WOTG era. Rather their relevant or not at the moment doesn't matter, as this content made up a majority of the games life span.

Run has better dt gear too. Also why are sam's ultimate weapons suited for dd unlike pld and run's?

Sorry forgot about the fact RUN has a weapon that takes months to years to make. Also see point address your souveran cuirass gear. Since RUN you know, can't wear it at all or any heavy armor for that matter and are stuck in the lightweight and middle weight armors.

Why was ninjas ultimate weapon suited for dps when players obviously made that class into a tank? Why does RDM have access to Excalibur, other than to use as a toy? No one knows, ask the developers.

I meant Odyssean gear but fine. Souveran cuirass +1 is better than tartarus, and it's only for war and pld

It's actually about the same for physical damage reduction, and tartarus pulls ahead for magic defense, which by your logic is the worse type of damage along with AoE.

Souveran has like....15 more vit. Tartarus has 11 more magic evasion, 2 more of a traited magic defense bonus(once only on rdm and is on run), and absorbs magical damage by 5%. Oh and 7 more actual defense. --- This is the Souveran +1, that has been augmented.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Tartarus_Platemail
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Nolan

Not to mention it still destroys your moot point of heavy armor only being stuck on drk,pld, and war.

Also since war can use both, I suppose WAR can tank too and is in league with PLD. But RUN can't use either....so RUN obviously isn't a tank. (sarcasm)
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That thread is like from 2010... not relevant anymore. I'll give you something more up-to-date http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/41...-a-guide-v-20/

Thank you.

V. Equipment Sets
a. TP Sets
b. Bow Sets
c. Weapon Skill Sets
d. Defense Sets

From the guide you linked. --- Also this guide is over a year old and doesn't seem to be being kept up to date. ;o

But I see a optimized....-PDT set. a -MDT set....a HP regen set. Oh and lookie here a enmity set, the stat that lets you grab hate. In a 2016 guide for FF11.

Seems all your points are basically irrelevant and some actually fall in line with my own.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Oh please, find me a tank samurai.

I cant speak for current FFXI, but back in my Lv75 days, literally ANYTHING can tank.
The game was designed so there was no obvious "tank" and they intended just about any melee to tank. (And like I said, even non melee found ways to tank, due to the options they created)
Usually just have /NIN, and SATA and you have someone who can tank anything.
Certain jobs had better options in gear and ease of difficulty in tanking certain combinations of PT/mobs but every job was capable of tanking at Lv75.
For the largest % of bosses, RDM was the best, then BLU, then its rough to say if PLD or NIN was better, as they excel at different bosses almost equally.
The ONLY job I hadnt seen tank, was BLM, and honestly dont see any reason they couldnt tank, since WHM could. (As a somewhat comparable job in stats)

You also mention RUN is currently useful as a tank, but from my friends who played it at launch, almost no endgame mob used magic, and everyone cried that RUN was useless.
If anything, they changed endgame to make RUN useful, and that's at best a coincidence, and only works for the current endgame (which is pretty much finalized, but wouldnt have stayed this way, with how much they flip flop stuff with their new dev team)

If you're going to argue that only the current magic based endgame is acceptable in talking about the idea of SAM tanks, then one could argue that the majority of FFXIs lifespan, jobs like RUN are useless, and jobs like SAM were the "real" tanks, and therefor only arguing a small portion of its lifespan isnt much of an argument.

Before wanting a next tank job how about we get these 3 existing ones fixed/balanced first? there are still some issues so adding 4th tank on the mix would probably do more harm than good.

Looking at current tanks, and current DPS, and prior DPS/tanks/healers in prior patches, these dont seem to actually be all that related.
So how about "No."
How about we actually get new tanks and healers, and they still work on balancing it, just as they did with DPS this expansion?

Dancer, because getting a dps with potent healing abilities would be broken.
*cough*

Would just be easier, and more unique, to have them as a Healer imo, and then there wouldnt be an issue.

I would like to see them implement a beserker tank.

Literally WAR.
it may not feel like it to you, but WAR and PLD are pretty much based on the Knight job, but WAR given the berserker flavor, and PLD being more like the FF1/FF4Cecil PLD type, rather than the FFT weapon/armor breaking type.

[Chrono_Rising]

Literally WAR.
it may not feel like it to you, but WAR and PLD are pretty much based on the Knight job, but WAR given the berserker flavor, and PLD being more like the FF1/FF4Cecil PLD type, rather than the FFT weapon/armor breaking type.

I would agree warrior feels like beserker, but I was a real beserker not just the flavor.

[Janise]

Considering that Samurai has and still has seigan along with third eye, access to heavy armor with -% damage taken on it, counter attacks, samurai was and still is a tank in FF11. .

Must have been playing a different game the last 8 years. As someone who cleared literally everything in FFXI and who still thinks its still one of the best MMO despite its outdated graphics I think I can say with 100% confidence that Samurai never was and still isn't a tank in FFXI! Awesome DD though in its day.

[Jhett_Magnum]

Judge or a Magitek BLU.

[MercureXI]

Dancer would be great ... Saber Dance and Fan Dance for DPS/Tank stance would fit perfectly ...

[Lannybaby]

My hope is for a gunblade user.

[Kyrph]

My hope is for a gunblade user.

I am really hoping for this as well!

Dancer would be great ... Saber Dance and Fan Dance for DPS/Tank stance would fit perfectly ...

That would be really interesting. I would love to see that.

[Synestra]

Before wanting a next tank job how about we get these 3 existing ones fixed/balanced first? there are still some issues so adding 4th tank on the mix would probably do more harm than good.

[Kyrph]

Before wanting a next tank job how about we get these 3 existing ones fixed/balanced first? there are still some issues so adding 4th tank on the mix would probably do more harm than good.

Yeah I am hoping WAR and DRK will get some buffs to be closer to PLD but it is still fun to think about what could be the next job. Besides hard modes, all three tanks can clear content pretty easily so from a casual standpoint it wouldn't be so bad.