A consern about space efficieny since stormblood is not getting enough space increase

[Naunet]

Amount of RAM that can be allocated.

I'll add: Trion made a little post with some user-friendly explanation when they transitioned to a 64-bit client a little over a year ago.

HOWEVER, I will also point out that Rift's update to its wardrobe system actually happened over TWO years ago. Clearly the 32-bit client was plenty sufficient to manage such a feature, and it should NOT be the limitation in FFXIV.

Yet other mmos with 32-bit clients manage to have an astounding lack of inventory issues.

This.

[KisaiTenshi]

I'll add: Trion made a little post with some user-friendly explanation when they transitioned to a 64-bit client a little over a year ago.

HOWEVER, I will also point out that Rift's update to its wardrobe system actually happened over TWO years ago. Clearly the 32-bit client was plenty sufficient to manage such a feature, and it should NOT be the limitation in FFXIV.



This.

You can not directly compare two different MMORPG 's unless they use the same engine.

When the developers refer to memory limits, they a directly referring to the capacity of the server 's ability to save state. If they recompile a 32bit instance to a 64bit one, that means that it can ACCESS >4GB of memory (disk or RAM), if they recompile the game client for 64bit , that means now the CPU and GPU can access >4GB along with >4GB of disk. Keep in mind that it IS possible to use 64bit pointers on a 32bit CPU, if the OS supports it, which on Windows that primarily is in regard to file sizes. This is why 32bit versions of Windows can't play or record video files over 2GB in certain containers because it is a signed integer in the file system. If you have ever tried to record a video that crosses the 2GB limit using a 32bit video recorder it starts overwriting the video due to overflow.



The client memory limits are in regard to display lists used for rendering objects. In a 32bit client, your CPU can't use the RAM in the GPU or system RAM over 2GB. The OS reserves part of this, and the rest is imposed by the OS. This is why even 64bit software tends to be crunched down to 2GB to stay in RAM. But your game client is not an instance on the server, it can impulsively load data when it needs it, but unless the underlying filesystem is fast (which is rare) this results in stuttering, or textures popping in and out while the page file thrashes.

The question that has to be asked is how long does it take to sync. If FFXIV takes seconds to save state, then the game integrity is hard to damage. But if it takes minutes or hours, then if the game server crashes, the data is stale when it recovers. Add 25 more items (one page) that is 25 more items that have to be synced, per player. Presumably the real reason is the 32bit limits on the client limits is to reduce the bandwidth requirements, hence latency. Is a inventory manipulation packet 1KB, or is it 10KB. Does adding anything to the inventory cause the entire inventory to be synced or just the item?

The V1 client and other MMORPG games generally pushed large packets when you changed inventory, (presumably syncing the entire inventory) and in some of these games it causes seconds of latency, not microseconds , with larger inventory bags.

[Moonlite]

quality discussion.

I think most people have been reasonable to start with. People understand that this game is poorly optimized/designed compared to other MMOs. That's why some of the suggestions are simple solutions. Solutions that take into consideration that maybe the game design can't handle anymore. I have noticed a few tiny changes with stormblood, like removal of carbonized matter. They had a solid two years to look into ways they could fix bloat.

People have also conceded that maybe glamour situations would have to be at a controlled location. Allowing the devs to reduce the stress on servers. Hell at this point I bet people would settle for the aesthetician type interface. Instead they are worried about the app.

[Lycieus]

You can not directly compare two different MMORPG 's unless they use the same engine.

And yet people use the argument that SE is a business to defend the lack of inventory space. If SE is a business, then these other MMOs are their direct competitors. If they are offering a superior product, for whatever reason, why should we stay with ffxiv?

[Snow_Princess]

And yet people use the argument that SE is a business to defend the lack of inventory space. If SE is a business, then these other MMOs are their direct competitors. If they are offering a superior product, for whatever reason, why should we stay with ffxiv?

This is correct, for me I do not like the changes to wow and here because my sissy wanted play with me in this game.. but with her getting closer to really quitting, we will most likely move to something else. I will admit she is not sure and would hate to quit but if lack of space prevents her from really playing and already made a big impact how she does things for SB.. then I doono.. how many years is 1440 days of sub time anyway? it is insane to think they might lose people that played for that long over this issue...

[Alleo]

And yet people use the argument that SE is a business to defend the lack of inventory space. If SE is a business, then these other MMOs are their direct competitors. If they are offering a superior product, for whatever reason, why should we stay with ffxiv?

Also if FF14 system is so bad that they cant even increase inventory space that much now and cant give us a lot of stuff that other MMOs have..what will happen in the future? We wont get less items with each more expansion..no it will get more and more. I do question how a MMO can be really successful in the long run if they cant even give us things like inventory space/glamour log/all currency in one place and more. Its kinda frightening to get the feeling like they will soon hit their limit on what is possible in quite some places..but if you once hit the wall and start to figure out a solution at that time, it might be too late..because not everyone wants to stay for years in the hope that some of the problems are finally solved. You cant go around and hope that people will stay just because there is Final Fantasy in the name..

Dear SE: Dont give us more and more glamour stuff if you cant give us a glamour log at the same time..this just makes the problem worse.

[Snow_Princess]

Also if FF14 system is so bad that they cant even increase inventory space that much now and cant give us a lot of stuff that other MMOs have..what will happen in the future? We wont get less items with each more expansion..no it will getmore and more. I do question how a MMO can be really successful in the long run if they cant even give us things like inventory space/glamour log/all currency in one place and more. Its kinda frightening to get the feeling like they will soon hit their limit on what is possible in quite some places..but if you once hit the wall and start to figure out a solution at that time, it might be too late..because not everyone wants to stay for years in the hope that some of the problems are finally solved. You cant go around and hope that people will stay just because there is Final Fantasy in the name..

Dear SE: Dont give us more and more glamour stuff if you cant give us a glamour log at the same time..this just makes the problem worse.

Yeah I do not get how they expect to expand the game when there isn't enough inventory space.

[Maku]

And yet people use the argument that SE is a business to defend the lack of inventory space. If SE is a business, then these other MMOs are their direct competitors. If they are offering a superior product, for whatever reason, why should we stay with ffxiv?

If it is so inferior, then why are you still playing it instead of having jump ship?

[DarkDedede]

If it is so inferior, then why are you still playing it instead of having jump ship?

Perhaps some of us have a significant amount of time invested in this game already. Perhaps requesting improvements in the game, that some of us have already invested time in, is more worthwhile than "jumping ship" and starting over in another game. If the game was so "inferior" I highly doubt people would feel so invested as to spend time trying to improve a game experience that they enjoy, specifically by pointing out current and/or potential issues and requesting that these issues be resolved.

Perhaps to rephrase, "because they care."

[Snow_Princess]

Perhaps some of us have a significant amount of time invested in this game already. Perhaps requesting improvements in the game, that some of us have already invested time in, is more worthwhile than "jumping ship" andstarting over in another game. If the game was so "inferior" I highly doubt people would feel so invested as to spend time trying to improve a game experience that they enjoy, specifically by pointing out current and/or potential issues and requesting that these issues be resolved.

Perhaps to rephrase, "because they care."

Pretty much when you have a 200/200 friend list, full link shells while needing to regretfully dropping one for room for hunt ls, and a FC from FFXI that is 11 old, while inviting your sissy to play with you (me) you are a bit resistant to leave. When you consider all of that^ +1440 day sub, plus a medium house on the hardest server to get a house (how true is this?) canceling her auto renewal, that is something......