A detailed Reaction to Warrior in SB

[Paiyne]

Some people thinking WAR is fine/not fine.

I think this is because (my own opinion) warrior works in current content. However, it's daft dps windows (rigid/long/setup) could use some work. Also should do more dps than the other 2 to fit design mantra for the class and the lack of utility we have.

On utility point, shake it off rework will happen, but one utility ability won't make up for the sheer amount on PLD. But that's fine, just give us dps instead. Same mantra as every class - less utility means more deeps.

So I would say it works, but isn't fine. If that makes sense

[Umbeliel]

I think this is because (my own opinion) warrior works in current content. However, it's daft dps windows (rigid/long/setup) could use some work. Also should do more dps than the other 2 to fit design mantra for the class and the lack of utility we have.

On utility point, shake it off rework will happen, but one utility ability won't make up for the sheer amount on PLD. But that's fine, just give us dps instead. Same mantra as every class - less utility means more deeps.

So I would say it works, but isn't fine. If that makes sense

You're probably right, but I really don't want to be a dps bot lol

[Kyrph]

I would really like to see some utility in the warriors kit as well as a buff or change to shake it off. it would be nice if onslaught cost TP or was even free as well cause it feels weird wasting our beast gauge to use it. Can we please have bloodbath back too?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

You're probably right, but I really don't want to be a dps bot lol

WARs have always been DPS bots though?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

it would be nice if onslaught cost TP or was even free as well cause it feels weird wasting our beast gauge to use it.

I'll disagree. A BG cost means you aren't gonna use it if you don't need to use a gap closer, meaning it'll always be up to bring you into the fight when you need to close distance. Every second you spend not in melee is a big dps loss. In addition, if you use it while buffed by Berserk, with or without IR, it becomes a stronger move then Fell Cleave. It feels pretty natural to me.

[Kyrph]

I'll disagree. A BG cost means you aren't gonna use it if you don't need to use a gap closer, meaning it'll always be up to bring you into the fight when you need to close distance. Every second you spend not in melee is a big dps loss. In addition, if you use it while buffed by Berserk, with or without IR, it becomes a stronger move then Fell Cleave. It feels pretty natural to me.

I did not understand any of this. I didn't say anything about gap closer and since it cost beast gauge you can't use it to engage anyway. It is not stronger than fell cleave even if you buff it with berserk. If it cost tp you could use it freely when it is off cd even if you are in mele since its off the gcd so it would only makes the ability easier to use since WAR never runs out of TP and I could use the beast gauge for the other abilities. If you know a certain fight you know when you will need it to get back into boss range after dodging so I don't think it would change that as well. What exactly are you disagreeing with? Sorry maybe Im reading your post wrong or you worded it weirdly.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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Basically, while you can't use Onslaught to engage, which is the only point it falls short for me, there are still bosses that either summon adds or that require you to break off to dodge AoEs/reposition, what have you. If it didn't cost BG, you'd just use Ons on CD and wind up losing DPS in the long run because you'd have to waste precious seconds running to and from the boss like an overworked Uber. It's also stronger then FC when buffed because of how Beast works. FC takes a GCD and doesn't build BG when used, so even at its worst (HS GCD traded for FC), you're only gaining 350 potency for 50 gauge and delaying your next beast gain by two GCDs. Someone else can probably explain it better than me, since in many ways SAM/WAR gauges are identical, but explanations are not my forte.

I think saying it's stronger than fell cleave is a bit misleading, it's not ever going to hit as hard, so that statement (I believe) is simply based off potency per BG.

It is, yes. Apologies if that part wasn't clear.

[Kyrph]

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Oh I get what you are saying now. I guess I understand but a lot of mechanics such as summoning adds and doing AoEs are scripted in most fights so having knowledge of that could correct the ability being off CD at those times. But there are times where you had just used your BG in order to use a defensive or just doing damage where you don't have the 20 BG to actually use the ability when you might need it if I wanting to argue my side of it which has happened. It would shift BG management to just managing the CD which would overall be better for the WAR and a damage increase.

[whiskeybravo]

I did not understand any of this. I didn't say anything about gap closer and since it cost beast gauge you can't use it to engage anyway. It is not stronger than fell cleave even if you buff it with berserk. If it cost tp you could use it freely when it is off cd even if you are in mele since its off the gcd so it would only makes the ability easier to use since WAR never runs out of TP and I could use the beast gauge for the other abilities. If you know a certain fight you know when you will need it to get back into boss range after dodging so I don't think it would change that as well. What exactly are you disagreeing with? Sorry maybe Im reading your post wrong or you worded it weirdly.

I think saying it's stronger than fell cleave is a bit misleading, it's not ever going to hit as hard, so that statement (I believe) is simply based off potency per BG.

That being said, it does kind of suck you can't use it to engage (outside of dungeons where you have leftover/pre-built gauge), but I don't find the BG cost prohibitive necessarily. The CD is short enough to usable when needed to close a gap, and with so much time between berserk windows you end up using it fairly often anyways to keep from overcapping on gauge.

[Shurrikhan]

I didn't say anything about gap closer and since it cost beast gauge you can't use it to engage anyway. It is not stronger than fell cleave even if you buff it with berserk. If it cost tp you could use it freely when it is off cd even if you are in mele since its off the gcd so it would only makes the ability easier to use since WAR never runs out of TP and I could use the beast gauge for the other abilities.

1. Most gap-closers aren't used to open a fight (i.e. to "engage"). Engage skills are meant to decrease the time between when the tank first pulls and when everyone else first hits. A tank teleporting to the enemy is counterintuitive, and slightly decreases the raid DPS dealt over the duration of the fight.

2. If Onslaught cost TP, yet Warrior TP were infinite, it would effectively cost nothing. Even if their TP were not "infinite", it would still remain free damage obliged to be used on cooldown, thereby hampering Warrior's freedom of movement.

3. Onslaught IS a DPS gain in certain circumstances. Apart from those it is only a slightest DPS loss, even if you exclude the bonus to uptime it can bring (which can very well give DPS by using it as... a gap closer). The skill is incredibly well balanced for a low-CD gap closer that doesn't oblige you to use it on cooldown (thereby wasting its purpose as a gap closer). There is scarcely a better tuned ability in this game than Onslaught.