A detailed Reaction to Warrior in SB

[Raiden_Ki]

Has Warrior taken back the spot of #1 DPS amongst tanks?

[Lyth]

As a matter of fact, it has, by a comfortable margin across all skill levels. See the week 1-2 and 3-4 results for more details.

[konpachizaraki]

Has Warrior taken back the spot of #1 DPS amongst tanks?

they're but you have to work really hard to pull that off, and i say the reward still doesn't worth as much as the effort you need to make it happen
it is complicated for no good reason

[Umbeliel]

Has Warrior taken back the spot of #1 DPS amongst tanks?

As a matter of fact, it has, by a comfortable margin across all skill levels. See the week 1-2 and 3-4 results for more details.

No.

Across the board it's almost identical to pld.

o1s top 4 are Warriors, yes(with #1 having a bizzare 100 dps over #2), but #2 to #7 are all within 50 dps of one another and overall there are more paladins in the top 100 than there are anything else.

o2s again, does have a Warrior on top(with, again, a bizzare extra 100 dps), but #2 and #3 are Paladins and again, going down the list it's majority Paladin.

o3s is the only one you could seriously take as a sign of Warriors doing especially well, with there being a pretty close split between pld and war down the list.

o4s is topped by a Paladin and there's significantly fewer Warriors in it across the board- this is basically because any relevant prog group generally won't take a Warrior to begin with, so it doesn't really say anything either way.

Is it dealing relevant dps? Yes. Is there a comfortable margin? No. Is it undeniably #1 dps? Absolutely not- it's about on par with Paladin. The only margin that exists are most likely the result of parse runs and really should be counted separately, but even then it's 100 dps difference- about 3% from a fed Warrior compared to a prog Paladin.

That being said, Paladins will also have the biggest presence in general simply because of sample size- MOST statics WILL have a Paladin, while Warriors and Dark Knights only have a 50:50 chance of being in at best.(It's not actually 50:50, it's in Dark Knight's favor.) So what the data actually means is more of a ballpark idea. The important part is that, no, optimal Warrior play is NOT significantly better than optimal Paladin play in terms of dps.

[xJimmehx]

kind of off topic, but is Provoke broken? I had a red mage steal aggro on me in a duty once and i provoked, nothing happened..it was as if i missed. I tried ultimatum and timed both just before i use butchers block. Still nothing. It didnt seem to alter my enmity at all. Usually over geared dps rip hate off of me if im undergeared but a provoke still guarantees i absolutely take aggro at least until they hit it again. Ive never had this happen before. Just started with stormblood.

Edit: Happened again with a chocobo tanking a fate. I provoke.. Nothing changes at all. I spam butchers block in defiance and dont gain aggro until just before the fates over..I joined fated part way through and ripped hate off of plenty of other people/chocobos/summons. Did provoke change how it worked or something? This is really weird and confusing. Its not constant though. It only happened like 4 times since launch.

On topic: Warrior pre 70 is horribly boring and the dps feels atrocious. I seriously cant stand it. I do as much as if i were hitting with a wet noodle. I was doing solo stuff today and my gosh it takes me like 5 minutes to kill one stupid overworld enemy of similar level. I dont mind a challenge but this isnt even hard. Its just needlessly long.

[Lyth]

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Nobody is going to be BiS for a while, especially given the number of tome upgrade drops required to achieve it. I'm not sure why you'd want to do a comparison of only the top scores and ignore the overall performance trends.

[Umbeliel]

Nobody is going to be BiS for a while, especially given the number of tome upgrade drops required to achieve it. I'm not sure why you'd want to do a comparison of only the top scores and ignore the overall performance trends.

If... you go down the list you'll see the trends. "Warrior and Paladin are about the same dps-wise"

kind of off topic, but is Provoke broken? I had a red mage steal aggro on me in a duty once and i provoked, nothing happened..it was as if i missed. I tried ultimatum and timed both just before i use butchers block. Still nothing. It didnt seem to alter my enmity at all. Usually over geared dps rip hate off of me if im undergeared but a provoke still guarantees i absolutely take aggro at least until they hit it again. Ive never had this happen before. Just started with stormblood.

On topic: Warrior pre 70 is horribly boring and the dps feels atrocious. I seriously cant stand it. I do as much as if i were hitting with a wet noodle. I was doing solo stuff today and my gosh it takes me like 5 minutes to kill one stupid overworld enemy of similar level. I dont mind a challenge but this isnt even hard. Its just needlessly long.

I've never had that issue... No idea.

[Kothos]

WOW there's still people defending the new Warrior XD. That's interesting. Some will accept anything that they are forced.
SB warrior is broken by design. Doesn't matter how much DPS it's capable. It's just a Shadow of the past

[Gojin]

yep warriors dont let pride blind you Warrior is bad dont play it, dont let people force you to play it, its broken, switch to somthing else.

[Shinkyo]

Anyone that says WAR is still broken hasn't played WAR seriously since the 4.05 adjustments.
One may not like its gameplay (just like I dislike PLd gameplay) but it's absolutely effective in a raid setting.
Sure they aren't as well designed as PLD, don't have raid utility and only marginally outdps PLD with more effort but they are still amazing Tanks with the better mitigation kit and higher dps ceiling.