Healer & Tank DPS (WoW vs FFXIV)

[Seoulstar]

snip.

Don't think that's still a valid excuse to harass someone.

[Nezia]

good stuff

I wonder how things would go if RDMs start campaigns against using verraise because they queued to do damage not ress people.

[Zarabeth]

I don't think anyone in the thread has been claiming that you're supposed to DPS at the expense of doing your actual job. People that do that are stupid.

I didn't say they did nor am I calling anyone stupid, that's unkind. I simply stated how I do things in reply to another post.

[Shurrikhan]

Don't think that's still a valid excuse to harass someone.

And I don't think player "preference" is a valid excuse for intentional underperformance at your team's expense. Maybe that's just me... but chances are, if you're seeing this "harassment" in kind, frequently, it's not.

[Driavna]

If only more people thought that way. But sadly it appears that will never be the case. It's general "DPS or be ridiculed, insulted, and harassed."

Or you people exaggerate the times this happens of NA data centers are a dumpster, but then again I remember when I played Tera at NA servers and the community was a big piece of bantha poo.

[Taika]

Love healers like you. I can go full DPS for the boss fights and just use the cooldowns for tank busters.

Erm, you should be able to do all dungeon bosses in Deliverance even with your healer DPSing... These two aren't exclusive. But please use your cooldowns for trash pulls (and big tank busters, if there are any), and don't change to Deliverance on trash until there are so few monsters left you know you can handle then.

The best tank I've had was random DF WAR who made the 5 group pull in Ala Mhigo and was in Deliverance as much as possible. I was still able to DPS as WHM (it's around i310) and it was an amazing run!

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I read on Gen Discussion a lot that healers DPSing seems to make tanks nervous even IF everything winds up okay, so I guess I'm just trying to get a feel for tanks' preference.

As a tank, keep me over 50%ish and I'm happy, especially if it allows me to go ham with Deliverance. My issue with dpsing PUG healers is that oftentimes they wipe the raid by letting the MT die, both on bosses and on trash. It's extremely depressing to be sitting at 1 HP after exhausting all of my CDs and watching that Holmgang count down to death, while watching the healer spamming stone/malefic/broil.

[Tufelhunden]

Snip.

I can't speak for Palladin, but warriors don't get a damage reduction from being in tank stance, only a larger health pool and enmity. So after I've established agro, presuming the healer doesn't need the extra health to keep me up, going to dps stance is a no brainer. Now if the healer struggles I stay tank stance use IB to provide extra mitigation 20 percent for 6 seconds as fell cleaved doesn't provide any mitigation.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

don't change to Deliverance on trash until there are so few monsters left you know you can handle then!

Wrong. A WAR doesn't get any defensive buffs except increased spell healing, and most healers use oGCD's to heal, not spells. A WAR in Defiance on trash makes me sigh because he's sacrificing damage in exchange for literally nothing. Defiance might as well not even exist for SCH.

[Kuwagami]

And I don't think player "preference" is a valid excuse for intentional underperformance at your team's expense. Maybe that's just me... but chances are, if you're seeing this "harassment" in kind, frequently, it's not.

Could you please tell me how any healer not doing any DPS (out of OS3 or OS4 for now) is "underperformance at one's team's expense" ? For any content (out of OS3 & OS4), a dps check not being met means your DPS guys are falling behind. Plain and simple.

Not that healers not doing anything shouldn't be dpsing. Just... don't blame healers for your inability to meet the game's expectations. Odds are you aren't part of the 1% players for whom healer dps actually matters

Wrong. A WAR doesn't get any defensive buffs except increased spell healing, and most healers use oGCD's to heal, not spells. A WAR in Defiance on trash makes me sigh because he's sacrificing damage in exchange for literally nothing. Defiance might as well not even exist for SCH.

Inner Beast actually exists But yeah, any Inner Beast on trash mobs could have been a Steel Cyclone, or better, a Decimate