Why is StormBlood full of dps that never aoe?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Ammunition boosts your spread shot potency up to 105. And all those abilities you've said can be used while AoEing. Don't make excuses.

Because a 1k WF does anything good? Gauss is worthless in AoE, so it's a waste of time to hit it. Wildfire is factually worthless unless you can hit at least 12k. And using Ammo for non Heated shots is a huge DPS loss in every single situation.

[AlphaSonic]

Because a 1k WF does anything good? Gauss is worthless in AoE, so it's a waste of time to hit it. Wildfire is factually worthless unless you can hit at least 12k.

Your inability to do the math is not our problem. At 4 mobs it's already better using Spread Shot. At 2 mobs it's already better to use AoE turret. It's a statement.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Bishop should be up when there's multiple targets, congrats on telling me something I already know! Wonder why people are trying to argue oGCD pets when I'm talking about the MCHs personal AoE? Weird.

[AlphaSonic]

Bishop should be up when there's multiple targets, congrats on telling me something I already know! Wonder why people are trying to argue oGCD pets when I'm talking about the MCHs personal AoE? Weird.

Stop deflecting. You were given the data and you've been called out, move on or continue rambling.

[HyoMinPark]

Some AOE skills for some jobs were completely removed, and the remaining skills are pretty taxing, resource-wise. Even BRD, which still has pretty decent AOE, got an AOE nerf in SB (limiting River of Blood trait to Mage's Ballad duration, removal of Flaming Arrow). That doesn't stop me from AOEing when I need to but just something to keep in mind. I frequently find myself being the only one doing any sort of AOE rotation, and Invigorate/Tactician still have cooldown timers, so I can't just spam Quick Nock for eternity.

Plus, AOE for some melee are even worse resource-wise. I love SAM, and their AOE is great damage-wise, but 140 TP per AOE skill is pretty hefty. It's easy to run out of TP, and if you're the only one doing any AOE, you won't have enough to down an overly large pack before your resources run out. And it really sucks if you don't have another DPS to give you Goad or Tactician.

Speaking from an AST perspective, I find I can't Gravity as much as I would like to due to MP costs. Plus AST DPS was nerfed in SB, and our MP regen is not as good as it used to be. WHMs have no excuse after level 62 unless they're dealing with the worst kind of paper tank. Thin Air + Holy spam for 12 seconds is a godsend.

Still. People should be AOEing when they can. I know that RDM's only have 2 AOE skills, but better to use them in huge trash packs than single target Ver spells. Same can be said for BLMs and Fire II.

[Magic-Mal]

Gauss Round, Rapid Fire, Reload, QR, BS, Heated Shots, Hyper Charge, Reassemble VS 80 potency spread shot with fall off, and overheated Flamethrower. MCH GCD AoE is factually worthless. The 40 potency also is accounting for the GCD+HS+GB. The only point MCH AoE nears decent is when you have Flamethrower boosted to its Max.

What the heck are you talking about??? Either you're trolling or you truly have absolutely no idea what you're doing. And this is coming from.a lv57 MCH.

Spread Shot does not have falloff damage. So not it's not 40 potency lol.. You can use Gauss Round and all of those things you listed while using Spread Shot.. Just what?? AlphaSonic was just being nice. You can do more damage than a Heated Slug Shot with just 3 enemies!

Please refer to the factually correct Machinist guide: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/machinist/

[Ageofwar]

Playing as BLM and RDM,

on BLM I find small packs less than 4 mobs its actually quicker single targeting mobs then just AOE'ing the whole pack pertucurly if the other DPS is a melee job like DRG, NIN, MNK, SAM.

On RDM I find AOE'ing a lot easier and dualcast seems to get aound the low potency of the AOE attack.

this might just be me but i'm finding in dungoens its best to go in RDM and for trials/8 man raids to go in BLM

[AlphaSonic]

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Even if it was nerfed doesn't mean it shouldn't be used. That's what some people argue here. BRD after dotting the enemies, at 2 enemies is already better using Quick Nock.

[Krotoan]

You need some serious practice with DRG.....

no doubt. In fact I really don't have any idea what my DPS is. Though I've heard from FC mates it's better than most DRG's they party with, and yes they would say something if it was bad.
What I do know is generally I use duty finder. My tanks are NOT optimal or aware of grouping mobs well for AOE, the other DPS is usually not very helpful (almost all run away from my dragon sight) and I've got to keep on my toes to contribute AND not die, let alone keep my LoD happening regularly.
I know how my mechanics work. What I'm trying to politely say here (maybe it hasn't come across as such and for that I'll blame the poor medium of text) is people avoid AOE a lot because there are so many things that need to happen for it to be better than burning down single enemies. There need to be a certain amount of enemies, there needs to be people recovering TP using skills (I know I have invigorate, I use it a lot). Good AOE is a matter of well working parties. This doesn't usually happen in DF.
that is all I'm saying.

[HyoMinPark]

Even if it was nerfed doesn't mean it shouldn't be used. That's what some people argue here. BRD after dotting the enemies, at 2 enemies is already better using Quick Nock.

You seem to have missed the entirety of my post where I said people should still be AOEing. You also missed where I said resources are not unlimited, and if I'm the only one AOEing, at a certain point it becomes too taxing to continue to keep it up.