Sadly sayiing goodbye to SCH

[Sebazy]

Scholars are STELLAR for roulettes; if it's not working out for you, that's on you. I pull 1.5k DPS on trash while having zero problems healing

The difference here, is that I'm nudging 4-5k (And have seen a 10k on certain large pulls with optimal CD usage by the tank) on trash packs and averaging 2.5k - 3k across the instance including bosses in the 70 dungeons on WHM.

SCH's raid healing seems to be back on track now, but IMO SCH went from being the subtle champ of 4 man content to being rather underwhelming now =(

[Spiroglyph]

SCH's raid healing seems to be back on track now, but IMO SCH went from being the subtle champ of 4 man content to being rather underwhelming now =(

We've got Miasma II now at least! It's something!

[Kurando]

We've got Miasma II now at least! It's something!

On a side note, they need to extend this to SMN as well. The supposed master of DOTs went from having 4 down to 2! Returning Miasma II to them would be nice bonus, but it's just wishful thinking at the moment...

[Eloah]

On a side note, they need to extend this to SMN as well. The supposed master of DOTs went from having 4 down to 2! Returning Miasma II to them would be nice bonus, but it's just wishful thinking at the moment...

I get why some SMN might feel this way, but you have to realize that you have several forms of AoE besides Bane. SCH had nothing besides it. Granted your AoEs are all gated, but you still have several varieties.

[Ftail]

I get why some SMN might feel this way, but you have to realize that you have several forms of AoE besides Bane. SCH had nothing besides it. Granted your AoEs are all gated, but you still have several varieties.

You're forgetting about Shadow Flare, but I get what you are trying to say. We don't have an AOE damage spell that we can spam like WHM's Holy.

[Spiroglyph]

You're forgetting about Shadow Flare, but I get what you are trying to say. We don't have an AOE damage spell that we can spam like WHM's Holy.

At the risk of repeating myself - we have miasma II now no cast time, so can weave in stuff for extra damage if you don't think there's any damage inc that would make you need to use AF stacks on healing. Weaving in ED also counters miasma II MP cost.

And since it's a DOT, even if you need to stop DPSing to heal there will still be damage being dealt to mobs.

I do however miss having a third bane-able dot

[Jonnycbad]

At the risk of repeating myself - we have miasma II now no cast time, so can weave in stuff for extra damage if you don't think there's any damage inc that would make you need to use AF stacks on healing. Weaving in ED also counters miasma II MP cost.

And since it's a DOT, even if you need to stop DPSing to heal there will still be damage being dealt to mobs.

I do however miss having a third bane-able dot

They buffed the damage of Bio II and Miasma I thought, No? Not as strong to compensate for the loss of a third DoT but you also don't need to swap to clerics and you can Bane immediately without having to wait a sec for Bio1 to land fue to server ticks. Ruin and Broil were also buffed and SCH was given MND traits, which before we lacked. So we lost some but gained some.

[jstamos]

The difference here, is that I'm nudging 4-5k (And have seen a 10k on certain large pulls with optimal CD usage by the tank) on trash packs and averaging 2.5k - 3k across the instance including bosses in the 70 dungeons on WHM.

SCH's raid healing seems to be back on track now, but IMO SCH went from being the subtle champ of 4 man content to being rather underwhelming now =(

Now that's quite true; we do not pump the DPS like we used to, by any stretch of the imagination.

[Lastelli]

SCH's raid healing seems to be back on track now, but IMO SCH went from being the subtle champ of 4 man content to being rather underwhelming now =(

WHM was better in dungeons in hw too if we're going to use healer's dps as the discriminating factor. A good sch can still easily reach 2k dps in a dungeon and its single target heals are very solid, probably stronger than whm's. But that's not the point the op's trying to make. He's suggesting that sch's healing capabilities are lackluster when compared to ast's and whm's. This is absurd. SCH was and still is the best single target healer, if he's struggling keeping the tank alive during big pulls, it just proves that he's a very bad sch and he's not using his toolkit correctly. Of course, st healing is way easier on whm/ast, you just stand there and spam cure2/benefic2, or at least this is what most mediocre healers tend to do but it works for trivial content.

You're forgetting about Shadow Flare, but I get what you are trying to say. We don't have an AOE damage spell that we can spam like WHM's Holy.

Miasma 2 can and should be spammed if you have spare mp.

[Sebazy]

WHM was better in dungeons in hw too if we're going to use healer's dps as the discriminating factor.

IMO SCH actually did better sustained DPS when taken as an average across the dungeon, the exception to that was of course if you ran with a decent SMN or such. I posted video guides here at Heavensward's release demonstrating how to sustain 1K DPS in iLvl 180 gear as SCH before Gordias was released.

Whilst I mostly agree with you regarding the OP, I do have a little sympathy, it can be pretty rough healing big pulls as a fresh 60 when it's not something you're expecting. Once you've adjusted to it then it's generally not a problem, but those early runs are likely to be a shock to the system given how heavily gated most of the SB levelling dungeons are. I don't think SCH itself is the problem tho, rather a lack of communication and/or common sense within that dungeon group as a whole.