The new Spear card vs the Arrow...which one?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

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That's not what you said initially, though. And diminishing returns would be if you get less attributes with more stats you stack.

[Ilian]

That's not what you said initially, though. And diminishing returns would be if you get less attributes with more stats you stack.

I appreciate your persistence, but that is what I said initially.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

I appreciate your persistence, but that is what I said initially.

Well, then feel free to bold out anything in your initial post that mentions:

SS is better when stacked to a point, but eventually has diminishing returns as well.

The more crit you have, the less each additional crit chance is worth to a point.

I'll even make it easy for you and quote your original response:

If you want to standardize Spear and Arrow to compare them then its possible to compare them each over 30 seconds since its difficult otherwise. Since Spear is only 20 s, then 5% benefit is over 20s with 0% benefit over the remaining 10 s. This means:

Spear gives 3.3% crit over 30 seconds.
Arrow gives 5% SS over 30 seconds.

So its 3.3%crit vs 5% skillspeed which depend on stat weights. Most (if not all melee) are weighted DH > CRIT > DET > SS as far as I know. BLM still weights SS highest and BRD is CRIT first although, Ariyalas site does not seem to be updated. I'm not sure about the others.

3.3% Crit will outweigh 5% SS for most classes aside from BLM. My bias has been to aoe a Spear over an Arrow. So, if I have a pocket Arrow and then sleeve a 50%AoE and draw gives me a Spear, I will opt to hold the Arrow and use the Spear on my party. We have DRG, NIN, BLM and BRD so I just hold the arrow to use on BLM after Spear wears off.

Also, I'd like to reiterate that there is no such thing as diminishing returns in Final Fantasy XIV.

[Ilian]

Well, then feel free to bold out anything in your initial post that mentions:



I'll even make it easy for you and quote your original response:


Also, I'd like to reiterate that there is no such thing as diminishing returns in Final Fantasy XIV.

Yes you have made it easy. My original post says 3.3% crit vs 5% SS and its bolded as you posted which is the same point I've been making in every post. I'm not sure why you are arguing this point.

A stat that has less value the more you get (from your original post I'll remind you) is literally diminishing in its returns. Whether the typical use of the term applies here to crit or SS is semantics and is not worth debating.

I've been saying the same thing from the first post I made, why do you continue replying trying to refute that? I was just trying to provide a way to compare them easily given their different durations but my post is essentially the tool tip of the two cards.

[Jade3173]

BRD's LOVE crit. If you give them the Spear, they will love you.

This is true, I do love me some crit. But, I love it most when everyone's CDs are being used (DRG's Battle Liteny, SCH's Chain Stratagem, MNK's Brotherhood, my own Raging Strikes). Someone who likes math more than me would have to figure it out but... on a duty to duty basis, I'm probably not going to overwrite my current DoTs if I only have the Spear going and nothing else as I don't think (keyword there) that it'd be that great of a bonus to get the increase to crit but lose the Raging/Foe/Trick Attack damage of them. Not ever going to say "no" to free crit buff though.