Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

[giottoV]

You are being ignorant, I have played most FF games fyi and FFXI just happened to have dragoon option that I liked best (with room for certain balance improvements). Just because it doesn't clinch with your view on dragoon does not make it any less worth.

A dragon knight might have been a dragonslayer in it's traditional way, but in the name itself it doesn't imply that dragoon can't be a dragon specialist, with or without assitance from a wyvern. Your point is nullified.

Its not my view of dragoon FYI it was the view of dragoon as implemented from the original FF games. Having a name dragon knight or dragoon doesn't mean they have to be a dragon tamer. Look at DARK KNIGHT do you see them having a pet demon? Also, look if they put a pet wyvern then they are going to balance not just the dragoon job but the whole job/class system as well. and the result would be Job classes will be broken like in ffxi. You are the one who is being ignorant. You are stuck in FFXI and can't let go of your pet wyvern. All we are asking for the dragoon is to just put back dragoon as it originally were. A STAND ALONE STRONG DD that has a dragon as a mount.

If you want a dragon really bad then why not just have a dragoon have the ability to summon a wyvern and do one massive damage and leave, just like summoning bahamut.

[Jennestia]

You are being ignorant, I have played most FF games fyi and FFXI just happened to have dragoon option that I liked best (with room for certain balance improvements). Just because it doesn't clinch with your view on dragoon does not make it any less worth.

A dragon knight might have been a dragonslayer in it's traditional way, but in the name itself it doesn't imply that dragoon can't be a dragon specialist, with or without assitance from a wyvern. Your point is nullified.

You're not allowed to like or want something a lot more didn't like, didn't get that memo? :x I actually liked XI's dragoon most as well because it fit more in line with the original design of it, someone who fights alongside dragons and even harnesses their powers -- But as said, people read that it may weaken them, they want nothing to do with it, they want the job to be "powerful" even though the game itself still needs balancing.

Just like Rappelz, you can balance pets very well in a way that it won't weaken or strengthen you, but be a part of the job. The problem with XI's implementation, was people as proven with XIV as well, are oversensitive to what is and isn't powerful.

It's why Archers got nerfed, it was overpowered, THMs had a few of their abilities nerfed over the year because it was overpowered, Dragoon with or without a wyvern, as a critical based fighter, would be nerfed just as easily unless they balance the game because critical hits, with the proper materia and gear is very overpowered...so do people really think a job built around that wouldn't be adjusted regardless of an ally pet?

[giottoV]

well why wont you go check the 1st topic about this in lancer forum? coz the number there shouts for its self.

oh sorry thought You meant more people likes to have wyvern than no.

[grandm]

i'm pro numbers

[Zigirus_Essan]

One thing I find interesting is how the people that are "pro-wyvern" (insert obligatory pro-choice joke here) are telling the people who are "Anti-wyvern" to "think outside the box and imagine a way it could work".

My words to them are "Think outside the box and imagine how amazing SE could make the class without a wyvern".

Bottom line, lets wait and see how they envision the class itself before anyone decides to freak out about how we have a pet or not.

In my personal opinion, I want XIV to be XIV. So if they do a Dragoon that takes elements from previous final fantasies and use them to create something entirely unique to the genre, I'd be more for that than rehashing XI/IV/II/FFT/WhateverTheHeckYouWantToReference. That's what made XI's Dragoon so Iconic was that it was the first to have a pet alongside it. Lets have XIV make something different, but just as awesome, shall we?

[Vackashken]

i'm pro numbers

So am I but if you think these numbers represent anything more than a fraction of the populace you're delusional.

Unless of course you're only for numbers when it suits your purpose.

[Dragon]

1) Drg was the pet wyvern job in FFXI, we have identified with the jump, AF and class identity in general of the classical dragoon being the wyvern class. This was a step forwards even though it wasn't very well implemented in FFXI, they should improve it with FFXIV rather than going backwards.

Oh please. Just because it was done in FFXI means it should be done in XIV? Hmm, I could come up with plenty of things using that logic that you'd probably hate.

2) Don't mess with DRK. Drk should be that heavy DD with dark magic spells, not a pet job. How does it make sense to give DRK a wyvern? This is not where it "properly belongs".

Dragons are best related to demons (RE: Demonology) and sorcery (RE: magic), which is what Dark Knights are based around while Dragoon is at best an ANTI-DRAGON job if anything in relation to dragons.

The only ways of implementing a wyvern would be by either
a) Giving drg a wyvern. (which is where it belongs if implemented)
b) Making a new job, hopefully a second job for lancer. But then they would most likely not give them jump and drg AF, which is missing half the point of adding it in the first place for us who identified with how Drg was in FFXI.

Once again, Dragons are best and mainly related to Demons and Sorcery while Dragoon is an ANTI-DRAGON job at best with the polearm having renown symbolism of killing dragons.

Like I stated earlier, there are two full DD classes. Monk and Drg, why not separate them properly?
And if I understood it right from the interviews, Drg was getting the self combo system, why not make that for MNK? (seeing as there are more possible combos with 4 limbs than a lance).

They can separate them properly through other means. But again, it makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever to tie DRG/polearm to a dragon companion (which brings up something else~the way your ilk keeps referring to them as merely 'pets', just tells me you're more anti-dragon than those not wanting a dragon pet to begin with (which also is quite funny since wyverns are also known as faux dragons, that meaning they're only part or fake dragonkin altogether and thus not actual dragons); I want a dragon companion, NOT just a mere pet).

[grandm]

So am I but if you think these numbers represent anything more than a fraction of the populace you're delusional.

Unless of course you're only for numbers when it suits your purpose.

lol, you do know how polls work?
ok so you can't ask every1, so you take a poll. you turn the numbers from you poll into percentages. then you can use the percentage to scale up to cover whole community. thus finding out what the community thinks without asking every1 to answer the question. democracy's have been using polls to find out which party/person is ahead before the ballot box has even opened. do you think they would use polls and waste all that time and money if they don't give a good idea of what the community is doing or thinking?

now i'm not saying a poll is 100 percent accurate all the time. but they are a good pointer to what the feeling is. and when the margin is as big as is in this poll. you can pretty much say the answer is. no we don't want a stupid arse dragon with our dragoons

[Vackashken]

lol, you do know how polls work?
ok so you can't ask every1, so you take a poll. you turn the numbers from you poll into percentages. then you can use the percentage to scale up to cover whole community. thus finding out what the community thinks without asking every1 to answer the question. democracy's have been using polls to find out which party/person is ahead before the ballot box has even opened. do you think they would use polls and waste all that time and money if they don't give a good idea of what the community is doing or thinking?

now i'm not saying a poll is 100 percent accurate all the time. but they are a good pointer to what the feeling is. and when the margin is as big as is in this poll. you can pretty much say the answer is. no we don't want a stupid arse dragon with our dragoons

Yes - I know how polls work. If you think this is a scientific poll in the slightest way you're (again I say) delusional. It isn't a significant marker in the slightest way or all the fools who wanted Market Wards to stay as is would have had their way because the same "polling" was done. That poll "pointed" to wanting to keep the wards as is because it was (lol) immerse to the game environment.

Stop bloviating. These numbers are meaningless (just as they are in every "poll" taken here) in comparison to the whole.

[Scherwiz]

Yes - I know how polls work. If you think this is a scientific poll in the slightest way you're (again I say) delusional. It isn't a significant marker in the slightest way or all the fools who wanted Market Wards to stay as is would have had their way because the same "polling" was done. That poll "pointed" to wanting to keep the wards as is because it was (lol) immerse to the game environment.

Stop bloviating. These numbers are meaningless (just as they are in every "poll" taken here) in comparison to the whole.

How dare you question the validity of these like polls, they are the most important thing any TRUE XIV forums member would believe in. - Please get over yourself




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