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  1. #71
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Everyone saying "If you're a healer speak up" is great but most tanks don't even wait for Protect, let alone gauge your ability to handle it when they pull like insane monkeys. If I can't handle it because they often pair this with not using cooldowns, then they die. I say "That's a bit much. I think we should dial it back". Some listen, some blame me. Those who blame me, IDGAF. Have fun finding a healer to join in progress when I quit because you can't work with the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delsai View Post
    I've started to get a hang out of healing since I returned from my break. However, holy crap on pulling 3-4 packs of mobs then darting ahead. I try my hardest not to cast regen on you pre trash pull but when you are sinking faster then Katy Perry's career then slow down a bit.

    I know most of you have done these dungeons many times. However, be courteous and look out for those who are just returning to the game. I have had only two wipes, thankfully. However, slow it down a bit. Especially in the new dungeons.
    Why's it the tank's fault? Why can't dps just kill faster? Maybe I need to fell cleave more and lead by example.

    Shit, I died.
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  3. #73
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    I like pulling big to see what the healers and DPS are made of. Way too many players are just in autopilot using half their rotation.

    It does bother me when people would rather spend 35 minutes in a dungeon they can perfectly clear in 20 if they actually focus and play to their best. Does this mean they will be "stressed"? sure but if its doable then why the hell is it prefferable to play using half your brain, spending more time achieving less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by armandojc3 View Post
    I like pulling big to see what the healers and DPS are made of. Way too many players are just in autopilot using half their rotation.

    It does bother me when people would rather spend 35 minutes in a dungeon they can perfectly clear in 20 if they actually focus and play to their best. Does this mean they will be "stressed"? sure but if its doable then why the hell is it prefferable to play using half your brain, spending more time achieving less.
    Umm stressing someone in a game isn't necessarily always fun? Large pulls can fun and a challenge. However, there are times where large pulls are an annoyance or nightmare. The attitude around pulling shouldn't always be go big or go home or vice versa. A little common sense and when needed a little empathy should come into play. Sometimes taking a hardline stance is needed too. However many players have this ME attitude about how they want it to be and/or the "meta" shoe horned into every experience.
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  5. #75
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    Malora Lyra
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Everyone saying "If you're a healer speak up" is great but most tanks don't even wait for Protect, let alone gauge your ability to handle it when they pull like insane monkeys. If I can't handle it because they often pair this with not using cooldowns, then they die. I say "That's a bit much. I think we should dial it back". Some listen, some blame me. Those who blame me, IDGAF. Have fun finding a healer to join in progress when I quit because you can't work with the team.
    My point was everyone needs to communicate not just healers but if the rest of your group doesn't take the time to communicate then there is nothing that can be done. The group just isn't going to function. working as a team needs to be a thing and that involves dps, healers, and tanks communicating. Not just healers not just tanks. The whole team..
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  6. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feidam View Post
    Umm stressing someone in a game isn't necessarily always fun? Large pulls can fun and a challenge. However, there are times where large pulls are an annoyance or nightmare. The attitude around pulling shouldn't always be go big or go home or vice versa. A little common sense and when needed a little empathy should come into play. Sometimes taking a hardline stance is needed too. However many players have this ME attitude about how they want it to be and/or the "meta" shoe horned into every experience.
    As a Tank, I expect every healers to at least pull their weight in HW & SB content, and be more careful in the lower level dungeons. The "me attitude" that I have has been forged through more than 500 duties worth of field experience and it's rare to find a healer that's truly in trouble; and if they do, I can always adjust myself to the healer's capabilities. Point is, just don't blame every tanks for playing the way they want, especially experienced and seasoned players who knows what to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Most tanks don't even wait for Protect, let alone gauge your ability to handle it when they pull like insane monkeys.
    "Pull like insane monkeys" when the tank waits / asks for Protect, doesn't pull too many, and they have good gear and good use of CDs, they expect you to pull your weight, and make sure you're not being lazy. But when an undergeared tank and / or tank who doesn't use mitigation CDs appear and does this "pull like insane monkeys", then you have all the right to scold him / her good.
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    Last edited by Lyrai_Celestine; 07-18-2017 at 11:23 AM.

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    Sometimes tanks pull too fast because they're afraid the dps or healer will pull for them. I've seen many dps in particular do this, either because they are impatient to get through the dungeon they were in queue so long for that they actually forgot they were in queue, or because they have tank class leveled and think they know what their tank can and can't handle better than they do. There isn't really a simple answer, but successful communication is the best way to know what to expect from each other.
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    When I queue up as a DPS I tend to quickly check how much HP the healer has. You can tell by that how he or she is geared. Lower geared I go slower, good geared I usually start with 2 packs. If the healer isn't breaking a sweat I can pull alittle more. If the healer has bigger issues I slow down. Never did I have any complaint about my pull speed.

    If a healer asks if I want to go ham on it all, then I will do so. Had that question a few select times.
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    Life's a game, gaming is my life.

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    Hayward Timberwolf
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    The long-term solution to this is weeding out the dudebro gene that somehow has crept into FFXIV (at least the North American servers, anyway). The immediate solution is letting the Neanderthals learn for themselves that healers have limits and that they're not miracle workers. Contrary to what some people believe, there's no Time Attack mode in any of these dungeons. I'm sure Yoshi-P would notify us if that were the case and I'd steer clear of it, given the cancerous attitude of speedrunners in ANY game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnie View Post
    When I queue up as a DPS I tend to quickly check how much HP the healer has. You can tell by that how he or she is geared. Lower geared I go slower, good geared I usually start with 2 packs. If the healer isn't breaking a sweat I can pull alittle more. If the healer has bigger issues I slow down. Never did I have any complaint about my pull speed.

    If a healer asks if I want to go ham on it all, then I will do so. Had that question a few select times.
    I hope you mean, "When I queue up as a tank"...
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