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  1. #41
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elnidfse View Post
    That's not true at all, however. A RDM offers substantially more screw-up insurance in the form of instant revives and last minute top-offs. Unless you mean to say "taking a BLM will make the tier unclearable" which isn't what anybody is saying. The usefulness of an instant cast revive is so large that I can't even begin to explain the implications of what that means for progression.
    Sorry, but that's just not true. If that's your only argument, then SMN would have been "the" DPS to have for raids... and it wasn't.

    EDIT: And read Claire Pendragon's post.
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  2. #42
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    RDM did as much dps as BLM because of the mana glitch before 4.05. Now that it is finally fixed BLM is king of caster dps.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Sorry, but that's just not true. If that's your only argument, then SMN would have been "the" DPS to have for raids... and it wasn't.

    EDIT: And read Claire Pendragon's post.
    You're forgetting the part that unlike pre 4.05 BLM, Summoner was not within range of BLM when people were running Gordias. Unless you're referring to the time when SMN was THE DPS (behind 4 BRDs..)

    And no offense to Claire Pendragon, but the phrase "you will fail if you die more than 2 times" is false and I can prove that. And guess who carried the burden of our raises? I won't pretend that I'm some ultra raider. I'm extremely casual, and for our extremely casual raids we are full of people who are human enough to make mistakes or is it "we are bad enough that we make many mistakes", a RDM is mighty useful. Especially in situations when a healer drops, because that can be recovered easily with the raise, shift, refresh wombo combo. The only times things are really unrecoverable if your DPS is super turbo good is when everybody in the group forgets mechanics and die miserably and it snowballs out of control. Like Zurvan if your healers weren't fast enough on the uptake and he applied seals which then blew up and killed everybody.

    And man on that topic I can't count the number of times somebody resurrected would just stand outside of the seal location because they didn't want to die again. Which I guess makes sense, double weakness and all.
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    Last edited by Elnidfse; 07-22-2017 at 11:45 PM.

  4. #44
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
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    EDIT[/COLOR]: 3 raises and Im out of MP and cant DPS. Which means I need to use raise 1 more time than SMN can. I can use mana shift 2-3 times (2 is safer) but a BLM can mana shift a healer more often, leading to the healer doing more dmg, or more raises. BLM does have its support, too bad most BLMs wont use addle, mana shift, etc. (Though a non role skill, but BLM only skill of the like would have been better, with the embolden like ability on SMN)
    a little reinforce of the mana shift part, you can give BRD MP to allow them to sustain foe req a little longer, it's not much ye but it's something to consider
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  5. #45
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    Claire Pendragon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elnidfse View Post
    You're forgetting the part that unlike pre 4.05 BLM, Summoner was not within range of BLM when people were running Gordias. Unless you're referring to the time when SMN was THE DPS (behind 4 BRDs..)

    And no offense to Claire Pendragon, but the phrase "you will fail if you die more than 2 times" is false and I can prove that.
    I understand people can be good enough to carry others, I see it plenty. (Plus if they are that good, you're not going to need raise)
    But in the average Pug group, the standard number of deaths they can afford, w/o players to carry them, seems to always be 2.
    When there is 3+ deaths, it seems the average pug group will see enrage.
    Ive had a group carry with 1 DPS, 1 Tank, and 1 Healer, while the rest of the group was dead from only 20% into the fight.
    But for clarification, I didnt say the group can only afford 2 rezzes in total, I was saying I can only raise twice, before it hurts my MP enough to bottom out of MP, and lower my DPS.
    This of course changes depending on down time, and BRD/MCHs.


    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    a little reinforce of the mana shift part, you can give BRD MP to allow them to sustain foe req a little longer, it's not much ye but it's something to consider
    Good to know, I actually wasnt sure how BRD handled its buffs now. (I really dislike playing BRD/MCH and usually casters, so I tend not to look too heavily into how they work, even though I should.)
    I do see BRDs low on MP plenty of times, and debated on mana shifting them, or even PLDs. (I would give it to a DRK, if they ever learned how to turn dark side off when there isnt any mobs, and are at 0mp)
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    CLAIRE PENDRAGON

  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    Embolden on the other hand, which isnt amazing, is unfairly given to RDM.
    So who is more deserving of Embolden among the casters? Genuinely curious. BLM is the casting samurai, so not them. By process of elimination SMN? What did they, the top parsers and in demand job in HW, do to deserve it?
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  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by GospelVhae View Post
    So who is more deserving of Embolden among the casters? Genuinely curious. BLM is the casting samurai, so not them. By process of elimination SMN? What did they, the top parsers and in demand job in HW, do to deserve it?
    I'll remind you that SMN's were dumpster trash in gordias. But that's aside the point. You don't balance with favoritism and you certainly don't balance around past performance. You balance around balance. Not that I agree with him that EMbolden shouldn't be on RDM, because I think it should.
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  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by GospelVhae View Post
    So who is more deserving of Embolden among the casters? Genuinely curious. BLM is the casting samurai, so not them. By process of elimination SMN? What did they, the top parsers and in demand job in HW, do to deserve it?
    What the heck? Whats with the grudge?

    Anyways, looking at CURRENT performance, I would probably have to guess SMN, but I not a 100% on that, as I dunno enough about them to make that arguement.
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    CLAIRE PENDRAGON

  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    What the heck? Whats with the grudge?

    Anyways, looking at CURRENT performance, I would probably have to guess SMN, but I not a 100% on that, as I dunno enough about them to make that arguement.
    The only reason I disagree about putting something else on SMN is that they have a lot of tools that would benefit from simply being made better.

    Edit: Much better. (yes this was worthy of an edit. Who in the world thought of an ability to buff nearest summon was a good idea)
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    Last edited by Elnidfse; 07-23-2017 at 03:04 AM.

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    I dont care who gets Embolden, I think it fits Rdm just fne. What I would like to see is Embolden buff magic dps as well as physical, that way making party comps with more than 1 caster viable. As it stands with Raging Strikes and Foe Requiem gone, we don't have anything left that would buff magic dps.
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